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Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by adventured on Sunday September 15, 2019 @11:38PM (#20980902)
> when they have a fraction of the resources and economy as China

You answered your own baffle, it's right there.

You know why the US didn't suffer painful sanctions for its Iraq invasion and debacle (which ~3/4+ of the world was overwhelmingly against)? Because the US-allied world runs the world, mostly, and the US was the world's only superpower both economically and militarily (throw in the global reserve currency for good measure).

China carries an increasingly big stick and a very aggressive attitude that it's their way or else (and they mean it). It's exactly the same reason Muslim countries won't do anything to them or say almost anything to them about Xinjiang; they're afraid of China and they know China does not respond to the normal stimulus / protest that democratic, human-rights-based nations do.

So Russia has the authoritarian, no-human-rights disregard aspect that China has, although to a slightly lesser extent (Putin's dictatorship is nowhere near as powerful or enduring as the CPC party dictatorship). The problem for Russia is that they're economically weak and backwards. They can be easily pushed around and contained economically. Russia is also a regional military power, China is about to be a global military power (certainly within ~20 years). What is Russia going to do, commit suicide by shutting off their energy exports? Are they going to shut down all their vast factories (which don't exist) and hammer the global economy? Are they going to lock down access to their technology & science? Are they going to further restrict their vast consumer market (which doesn't exist)? The best Russia can do is poke Europe with energy, tamper occasionally with the Middle East, and mess with Ukraine. Meanwhile China just went and annexed a country the size of France in Asia - stealing vast territory from numerous other countries through military force - in the South China Sea; nobody did anything to stop it or sanction China for it. Nobody will do anything about it, either. China is in a position now where they are able to play by different rules than everybody else, and there is nothing that anybody can or will do about it. That is going to get worse yet, their military power is nowhere close to peaking, so their projection and aggression will only increase for decades yet.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by chrischen on Monday September 16, 2019 @03:12AM (#20981732)
What is the country China annexed?
Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by peteretep on Monday September 16, 2019 @04:49AM (#20982194)
China has annexed territory from Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, and The Philippines in the last ten years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-Dash_Line

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by yorwba on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:25AM (#20983747)
All of these countries have overlapping territorial claims in the area; portraying the illegitimacy of China's claims as "annexing" "their" territory is misleading when the other claims are just as illegitimate.

It's not like there's a local island population that could object to the occupation, so control effectively belongs to whoever establishes a permanent presence first. It's obviously not an ideal state of affairs, but it also doesn't indicate a propensity of the current Chinese government to invade populated territory any more than for the other countries.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by peteretep on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:00AM (#20991353)
This feels like straight propaganda...

> when the other claims are just as illegitimate

This is untrue, re: «On 12 July 2016, an arbitral tribunal constituted under Annex VII to the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea ruled that China has no legal basis to claim "historic rights" within its nine-dash line in a case brought by the Philippines»

> All of these countries have overlapping

This is massively disingenuous, because only China is putting military bases next to other countries and then chasing off their fishermen. Locate Mischief Reef on a map, and then tell me China isn’t annexing Phillipine territory with a straight face.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by yorwba on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @02:56AM (#20992402)
Read carefully.

> China has no legal basis to claim "historic rights" within its nine-dash line in a case brought by the Philippines

The tribunal did not find that the Philippines had such a legal basis either. Mischief Reef is not in the Philippines' territorial waters, which only extend 12 nautical miles. It is within their exclusive economic zone, which means that China would not be allowed to e.g. drill for oil. But the surface is international waters and no nation has the right to obstruct another's vessels there.

> only China is putting military bases next to other countries

Vietnam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namyit_Island

Malaysia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swallow_Reef

Taiwan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Island

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by peteretep on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:00AM (#20992745)
> It is within their exclusive economic zone

Yes it is, and China has put a military base there and is chasing out Filipino citizens.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by yorwba on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @06:16AM (#20993411)
They're obstructing maritime traffic in international waters, which is a different offense from annexing another country's territory.
Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by chrischen on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:45AM (#20983920)
As yorwba pointed out, the inherent bias in your presentation of the facts is emblematic of the very propaganda your opponent, China, employs. If you employ the same tactics to achieve your political goals, are you really any different? What happens when your goals (presumably aligned with American goals), changes to something less justifiable like the Iraq war? If you employ the same tactics then whatever reason you have for the day can be thrown out the window because the real reason is political (it enriches yourself over others).
Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by peteretep on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:01AM (#20991364)
> your opponent, China

Now there’s a straw man

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by konstmonst on Monday September 16, 2019 @06:57AM (#20982834)
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Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by chrischen on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:41AM (#20983899)
Hawaii
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Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by partialrecall on Monday September 16, 2019 @12:15AM (#20981046)
> "McD, KFC and Pizza Hut"

Each of these have thousands of stores in China.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by geowwy on Monday September 16, 2019 @12:01AM (#20980990)

  > China does not respond to the normal stimulus / protest that democratic, human-rights based nations do.
I wonder how you see them as any different to the US? The US wasn't scrambling to meet the demands of the Occupy Movement.

I guess there was the brutality of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, but Tiananmen is the exception in the history of Chinese protests, just like the Kent State Massacre was in the US.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by jryle70 on Monday September 16, 2019 @12:15AM (#20981047)
Information about Ken State Massacre is widely available [0] Can you show me an online resource about Tiananmen Square Massacre, in Chinese, that is accessible to Chinese audience?

If it is only an exception in Chinese history, why is it not being mentioned anywhere, let alone discussed? You still don't see the difference?

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by jogging_bobby on Monday September 16, 2019 @05:54AM (#20982507)
I think you'd be surprised to learn most Chinese know about the Tiananmen Square protests. It's within living memory and the government has made statements about it which can be found in archives etc.

Most Chinese don't want to talk about it because it's considered a source of national shame. (Westerners often interpret that as them being afraid to talk, but that's not actually true.) They also believe the events are used for foreign propaganda which is not entirely untrue.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by pimmen on Monday September 16, 2019 @07:45AM (#20983092)
So that’s why the CCP blocked all versions of Wikipedia in conjunction with the 30 year anniversary? Because they didn’t want to bother people with shame?

In Germany people have a completely different perspective on the Holocaust. It was horrible and a source of great national shame, but still, never forget. Blocking Wikipedia on Holocaust remembrance day would not happen in Germany.

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by refurb on Monday September 16, 2019 @12:39AM (#20981136)
Tiananmen is an exception? Maybe it’s a stretch to call them protests, but millions of “state enemies” were killed in China over the last 70 years. Cultural revolution, Landlord Purges, etc.
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Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by sdwa on Monday September 16, 2019 @07:43AM (#20983077)
Oh well that's all right then, as long as they learned the lesson about killing millions of their own people. Don't know what the fuss is all about if you ask me!
Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by pimmen on Monday September 16, 2019 @07:47AM (#20983104)
So if they learnt their lesson, why do they block information about it?
Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by pimmen on Monday September 16, 2019 @02:20AM (#20981536)
> Tiananmen is the exception in the history of Chinese protests

Is the Hundred Flowers Campaign also an exception? And the millions of people who were killed during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution? Or the millions of people who have been brainwashed for religious reasons in Xinjiang? Or the thousands of journalists, authors and publishers who have been jailed, sometimes "disappeared", for texts critical of the CCP just during the last two decades?

Re:Australia concluded China was behind hack on parliament, ... by icelancer on Monday September 16, 2019 @04:11AM (#20982019)
There's also that whole Uyghurs being forcibly relocated and interned.... thing. Just a few hundred thousand of them. Maybe a million. Who's counting?