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Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by toomuchtodo on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:27PM (#20978683)
As a parent, I’m still going to try to instill good habits and behavior even if my kids attempt to subvert them (similar to financial responsibility, manners, or safe sex). Once you’re an adult, how you behave is up to you, but before then it’s still my job to help them understand how to be decent, functioning humans.

Being a parent is hard, and mistakes are going to be made. Positive intent is important.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by ramphastidae on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:48PM (#20978802)
The point of the comment you are replying to is that plenty of parents, under the guise of "instilling good habits," simply issue a blanket ban and the threat of further punishment to discourage the use of whatever they are trying to teach their children to avoid rather than teaching their children responsible use, and that this is counter-productive, extremely damaging, and basically the opposite of good parenting.

In my experience my parents issued blanket bans and the threat of punishment for eating sugary foods, using the internet and watching TV. All this did was cause me to binge on all three whenever I had the opportunity at a friend's house, and that behavior extended into my adulthood until I was able to break free of my parents and seek the advice of reasonable adults to help curb my addictive behaviors.

When I discussed this with my parents they doubled down on their behavior, washed their hands of responsibility and blamed me. They used the same tired "how you behave when you are an adult is up to you" line. I hope you aren't doing the same to your children.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by semi-extrinsic on Sunday September 15, 2019 @03:20PM (#20978978)
> simply issue a blanket ban and the threat of further punishment to discourage the use of whatever they are trying to teach their children to avoid rather than teaching their children responsible use

I take the somewhat contrarian view: kids (at some age) need to learn to cope with absolute limits that are strictly enforced. How else will they cope with living in real society? Not paying your rent will get you kicked out. Driving over the speed limit will get you a ticket, or worse. Not showing up to an exam in college means you fail the class.

Not saying you should have draconian rules on everything. But some rules need to be enforced with (reasonable) consequences. Otherwise you are doing your children a disservice, IMHO.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by lazyasciiart on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:29PM (#20979836)
Driving over the speed limit will usually get you nothing. Failing to show up to an exam in college got me an opportunity to retake it with no penalty. Failing to pay your rent - maybe, but if you just paid it late, or if you were moving out anyway and make things enough of a pain for the landlord...
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by foobarian on Sunday September 15, 2019 @10:41PM (#20980705)
Where do you live that driving over the speed limit is strictly enforced???
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by halbritt on Sunday September 15, 2019 @03:27PM (#20979019)
What's missing in this behavior is the setting of expectations. Nobody likes surprises, least of all kids.

My kid has limited screen time that is strictly enforced, roughly 30 minutes a day. They're well aware of this fact and when it will happen.

We occasionally make exceptions for things like movies or what have you on the weekends.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by marktangotango on Sunday September 15, 2019 @08:09PM (#20980214)
Our kids earn their screen time, it’s not a given. Note we don’t include tv, but it’s rarely on anyway.
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by halbritt on Sunday September 15, 2019 @08:58PM (#20980361)
No TV here, which means that if the kid wants to watch something it's part of their screen time.
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by balfirevic on Sunday September 15, 2019 @03:08PM (#20978925)
> Once you’re an adult, how you behave is up to you

This is not binary. As they grow older, kids should be able to take control of their lives more and more. Probably much more than the average parent thinks they should.

Edit: To clarify, I don't mean kids should become more skillful in controlling themselves according to their parents wishes. I mean the parents should gradually micromanage their kids less and less as they get older.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by Silhouette on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:58PM (#20979954)
This is not binary. As they grow older, kids should be able to take control of their lives more and more.

Indeed. It's strange to me that people try to do things any other way. At the start, you have a tiny person who has no idea how to function in the world and is entirely dependent on others. Somewhere around two decades later, you have someone who needs to be ready to go out into the world on their own and operate independently. How else could you possibly get them from one to the other effectively if not by introducing more freedom and more responsibility over time as they become mature enough to handle them?

Probably the biggest complaint when I've spoken about childhoods with friends of my own generation, and the thing we pretty much all agree we want to avoid with our own generation of children, is strict and arbitrary-seeming rules that remain in place for far too long. Obviously no five-year-old is ready to make their own fully informed decisions about everything. But a fifteen-year-old? Hopefully by then they'll be making most decisions for themselves and relying on their parents more as advisers and a safety net than as figures of authority.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by halbritt on Sunday September 15, 2019 @03:27PM (#20979023)
Backing this.

I've read stories of folks successfully getting their kids to manage their own screen time.

Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by toomuchtodo on Sunday September 15, 2019 @03:46PM (#20979128)
Impulse control is a spectrum. All kids are different.
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by halbritt on Sunday September 15, 2019 @07:15PM (#20980023)
Totally agreed.
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by notaparent on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:41PM (#20978760)
The parents who forbid their kids to listen to Beatles or Metallica were also trying to instill good habits.
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by scaryclam on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:47PM (#20979408)
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here. Yes, some parents did that. Did it wreck their kids lives? Or did those kids go over to a friends house and listen to it anyway?
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by kortilla on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:16PM (#20979258)
Positive intent is irrelevant when it comes to psychological damage.
Re:Let Children Get Bored Again by toomuchtodo on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:44PM (#20979394)
Hyperbole is also unhelpful. Kids need boundaries.