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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by ajross on Sunday September 15, 2019 @12:01PM (#20977809)
I can't find corroboration for most of that. Per the Times story, the younger sibling was born in the US. None of the sources for this story seem to indicate that these two were travelling on PRC passports or otherwise in the country as citizens. Nor is there any claim of espionage on their part.

I mean, the arc of your claim (that this is just fallout of an otherwise legitimate crime investigation and not a deliberate punishment for these kids or the US in particualr) is probably true. But still, fabricating arguments against them doesn't make it OK for them to be held against international law.

Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by dirtyid on Sunday September 15, 2019 @12:12PM (#20977870)
There's no espionage claims, I think it's purely over economic crime. I don't know if they're complicit, their parents may have moved laundered assets under their name without their knowledge. I'm not even sure if their detainment is for the purpose of investigate, coercion or they're merely being made an example of to others.

As for Chinese papers, this is speculation territory but with some personal knowledge. You can buy Chinese identities, there's a market for it. I know people who previously revoked their PRC citizenship but later acquired a dead persons identity to buy property and start business in mainland among other perks.

Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by akamaka on Sunday September 15, 2019 @12:41PM (#20978051)
> I'm not even sure if their detainment is for the purpose of investigate, cohesion or they're merely being made an example of to others.

This is the crux of the problem. We have no idea whether they are legitimately being investigated, or if they are innocent people being held in the country to apply pressure on someone else.

A low-level employee who travels to the PRC for work might end up in the same situation if his company faces accusations, and anyone who travels to the PRC, or an HK citizen who might face extradition for trial in the near future, needs to be aware of this.