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Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by djrobstep on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:24AM (#20976507)
The experiences of beginners are as valid as anybody else's.

It creates an unfriendly culture if people are told they can't talk about their frustrations and challenges without having x years of experience first.

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by tjpnz on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:44AM (#20976603)
>The experiences of beginners are as valid as anybody else's.

In certain situations they may be even more valid. But when it comes to software processes you really need to have lived and breathed them in order to mount a credible argument.

>It creates an unfriendly culture if people are told they can't talk about their frustrations and challenges without having x years of experience first.

Nobody is denying this person the right to talk about their frustrations.

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by simonh on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:59AM (#20976657)
>Nobody is denying this person the right to talk about their frustrations.

bjornsing's comment is implicitly highly critical of them doing so.

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by kthejoker2 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @10:18AM (#20977307)
The headline title is beyond a "frustration", it reads like a universal assertion.

Something like "I dont like TDD" or "I struggle with TDD; here are my thoughts" would at least ground us in our expectations.

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by Insanity on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:37AM (#20976564)
The experience of a beginner with a certain tool is quite important. E.g, if Linux is not user friendly to newbies something could be done about that.

But some tools require expertise and a beginner might not get the entire picture yet. E.g, if someone with 1 year of physics experience claims Quantum Mechanics to be dumb, is that a valid opinion?

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by okl on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:43AM (#20976600)
It might be. Your point is that it's not worth your time to consider that someone's opinion.
Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by tjpnz on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:54AM (#20976644)
I'm not going to take any opinion seriously with a headline like that.
Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by djrobstep on Sunday September 15, 2019 @07:36AM (#20976777)
This isn't some conceptually difficult thing like quantum mechanics, it's something designed to make software easier to build.

If it doesn't in fact do that for this person it's totally valid to mention that.

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by Insanity on Sunday September 15, 2019 @09:20AM (#20977079)
It's valid to have an opinion on something, another thing is having a well-founded opinion. I love vim and my opinion is that it's better than Emacs.

But I used VIM for a decade and Emacs for 6 months.

Is anyone going to take my opinion on Emacs seriously, knowing that these tools take time to master?

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by blunte on Sunday September 15, 2019 @11:17AM (#20977578)
> Is anyone going to take my opinion on Emacs seriously, knowing that these tools take time to master?

Maybe not, but you're welcome to publish an essay on what you think.

Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by Insanity on Sunday September 15, 2019 @01:04PM (#20978199)
True, and everyone is welcome to voice their opinion. I'd encourage that, but it still doesn't make it 'valid' for a larger audience. :)
Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by mytailorisrich on Sunday September 15, 2019 @07:00AM (#20976663)
I think the idea is to avoid calling something "dumb" when you have not enough understanding and experience in it to pass such arrogant judgement.
Re:Test-driven development: A great idea hiding behind a ter... by humble_engineer on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:33PM (#20978716)
>experiences of beginners are as valid

What does this even mean? Their experiences are valid?