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Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by eropple on Saturday September 14, 2019 @02:58PM (#20972944)
> Many young engineers can't see societal potential in what they do.

Then they are defective citizens. Citizenry before a job is just not that complicated.

Everyone is complicit in dirty work and I've very happily fired clients and quit jobs for being dirty. Do thou likewise or have your fellow citizens find you wanting for it. It's not hard.

Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by jhall1468 on Saturday September 14, 2019 @06:13PM (#20974185)
The problem here is dirty isn't well-defined. You are playing the moral superiority card without knowing what your particular moral/ethical line is.

Seems HN is primarily comprised of people without families that can just quit their job and it's not big deal, all in the name of their particular set of moral standards. You can tell when they say things like "it's not hard" when deciding to quit their job.

For the fast majority of people, it is hard. Most peoples ethical guidelines shift rapidly when the alternative means harming their loved ones.

It's definitely not hard to proclaim things aren't hard. Reality is often different.

Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by runamok on Sunday September 15, 2019 @08:50PM (#20980333)
Yup. We could argue every bit of marketing is evil. So much of it is targeted at children or people that are otherwise easy to convince to buy shit they probably don't need, and based on US retirement savings, probably can't afford.

I worked in free to play games for a time and I rationalized you could get entertainment value up to a point and if you wanted more you paid. However, we all know certain people can't stop at that point. Same reason why casinos flourish.

Ethics CAN be clear cut but even things like drones or surveillance equipment can have both good and evil applications.