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Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by hd4 on Saturday September 14, 2019 @09:52AM (#20970748)
Why can't big tech self-regulate? Why must it always be a solution that depends on big government instead? Why should anyone trust the government given the last few thousand years of history?
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by lesservehicle on Saturday September 14, 2019 @09:58AM (#20970784)
The nature of the stock market demands that they never self regulate. Companies are incentivized to meet the demands of shareholders, which means more revenue streams, regardless of the effects on consumers.
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by JohnJamesRambo on Saturday September 14, 2019 @10:04AM (#20970828)
When, in the history of anything, have companies self regulated properly? It always ends up at the October 1929 stock market or worse.
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by Ididntdothis on Saturday September 14, 2019 @10:49AM (#20971126)
Why do we need big government to prevent us from stealing or killing each other? Maybe the whole society should self regulate?
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by chroma on Saturday September 14, 2019 @03:33PM (#20973176)
This is a straw man. A government can try to stop theft and violent crime without building regulatory moats around incumbent companies.

Though in many places governments aren't great at preventing theft and violence. That's why even in developed countries, many companies hire private security, citizens learn self-defense, and some people carry pepper spray, knives, or even firearms.

Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by sorin-panca on Sunday September 15, 2019 @10:41AM (#20977399)
Because competitors must play by the same rules. Self-regulations are internal rules. When one wants to put a rule on that will drive up cost or decrease profits, they will only do it if the competitors do the same. That is why they need a 3rd party regulator, where they can go and agree on rules.
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by MichaelMoser123 on Saturday September 14, 2019 @10:08AM (#20970862)
I think because democracy also implies a separation of powers, so that you have the players watching each other in order to prevent any player from becoming too strong.
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by PorterDuff on Saturday September 14, 2019 @11:31AM (#20971412)
Again, there's a Soviet counterexample of army/party/intelligence service.

Even in the case of a dictatorial and lifetime head of state, separation of powers is baked into the cake by groups with common interests, sometimes organically, sometimes on purpose.

Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by MichaelMoser123 on Saturday September 14, 2019 @12:41PM (#20971928)
Seperation of powers is necessary but not sufficient requirement for maintaining democracy. In classical Athens they didn't have that, so modern philosophers take pride that we do have it.

Of course any sufficiently big organization does have competing departments with conflicting agengas, but also there are nuances.

Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by JMTQp8lwXL on Saturday September 14, 2019 @12:56PM (#20972086)
Companies will do anything to earn a profit. Asking them to self-regulate is orthogonal to the goal of maximizing profits.
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by JaimeThompson on Saturday September 14, 2019 @09:55AM (#20970762)
Should we allow chemical companies, oil companies, and power plants to regulate themselves? What about drug companies?
Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by PorterDuff on Saturday September 14, 2019 @11:28AM (#20971387)
The counter example is the way the Soviets dealt with chemicals, oil, power.

Personally, I think that the government vs. industry split becomes rather academic when you are speaking of monopolies, especially monopolies that spy on you. I expect that there's a slow motion merger into a GoogleFacebookMicrosoftApple.gov body with the companies acting as cabinet branches.

Re:Microsoft President: Democracy Is At Stake. Regulate Big ... by 0_gravitas on Saturday September 14, 2019 @04:59PM (#20973750)
why should anyone trust companies given the last few thousand years of history?