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Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by ramphastidae on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:08PM (#20964041)
If one simply takes the behavior of the vast majority of universities in the US at face value it should be quite clear.

Their priority is not education, it is profit.

That's really it.

Believing otherwise is like believing the priority of health insurance companies is public health or the priority of for-profit prisons is rehabilitation.

Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by magduf on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:13PM (#20964100)
Exactly.

America just needs to add a new section to the Constitution, and call it the "Rules of Acquisition".

Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by harryh on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:12PM (#20964086)
The vast majority of universities in the US are non-profit institutions.
Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by ramphastidae on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:24PM (#20964233)
Can you elaborate how you think that applies to this discussion? Seems like you are arguing semantics to me.

The Church of Scientology is a considered a non-profit institution in the U.S. as well. Do you believe that The Church of Scientology is a benevolent actor? I don't. I believe their primary purpose is profit and they are taking advantage of their followers and the U.S. taxpayer in the same way these universities are.

The university in this article is "non-profit" as well, but they just granted a $70+ million contract to their football coach. I don't see how you can argue that this is appropriate for a non-profit institution whose priority is education when they are charging their 30,000+ undergraduates six figures to complete a four-year degree at the same time.

Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by harryh on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:30PM (#20964281)
You said the motivation was "profit" which means that the owners of the organization make money that they can go spend on themselves as they please. This literally does not happen for the vast majority of universities.

What you are describing is more like "growth." And maybe the kinds of growth universities are investing in isn't great right now. That's a fine conversation to have.

This isn't just a semantic distinction. The profit motive and the kind of empire building growth motive are two pretty different things. You can see this because there ARE for-profit universities in the US and they act in dramatically different ways than the non-profits.

Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by ramphastidae on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:35PM (#20964347)
OK, I see. Even so, I think it's still totally fair to say that their behavior shows the priority is revenue or financial growth or enrichment of administrators over education.
Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by heavenlyblue on Friday September 13, 2019 @08:07PM (#20967914)
Growth is a much more direct proxy for power than pure cash.

Why would we allow someone to gain power without giving back to the society which provides safety nets for that power?

I am pretty certain Scientologists enjoy every bit of that money (be it expensive cars, free travel, more followers for your ego) they don’t pay in tax.

The same goes for universities: growth without purpose are only there to satisfy the egos of those who manage the money they never earned.

Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by tptacek on Sunday September 15, 2019 @10:30AM (#20977362)
I agree with you but want to pick the nit that while ownership can't treat a nonprofit as a slush fund, management generally can.
Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by magduf on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:15PM (#20964129)
"Non-profit" doesn't mean that profit isn't the primary motive. It just means you can't show any profit, or return it to shareholders, as in a corporation.

Instead, you do things like giving the University President an absurdly enormous salary, plus put him up in a lavish mansion, or go on a construction spree, building more and more very expensive buildings and stadiums, or give a 7-figure salary to the football coach.

Re:Alabama tracking students' locations to penalize them for... by mcguire on Friday September 13, 2019 @03:37PM (#20965603)
One of my fondest memories from school was the biennial renovations of the dean of natural sciences' offices.