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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by lvl4x on Friday September 13, 2019 @09:34AM (#20961967)
"In most cases where several dogs live in the same animal care, only one dog has become ill. This may indicate that the possible disease is not so contagious from dog to dog. For the time being, the Norwegian Food Safety Authority's advice on restricting close contact between dogs remains valid."

I'm looking forward to seeing what caused this. Really strange (In my non-expert mind) that it hasn't made its way to Sweden.

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by giarc on Friday September 13, 2019 @10:52AM (#20962678)
I wonder if it could be contaminated food/treats similar to the duck treats from China a few years ago.

https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/news-events/fda-invest...

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by tom_mellior on Friday September 13, 2019 @10:41AM (#20962586)
> Really strange (In my non-expert mind) that it hasn't made its way to Sweden.

Elsethread people are speculating that it might be due to contaminated food. Sweden is in the EU, Norway isn't, and AFAIK the EU doesn't like importing meat and other agricultural products.

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by vintermann on Friday September 13, 2019 @10:45AM (#20962618)
Norway likes it even less. One of the arguments for staying out of EU was food safety. Not sure about pet food, though.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by bayesian_horse on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:06PM (#20964688)
While Norway is importing most of its import food from the EU I highly doubt they have much better standards...

And because of certain treaties with the EU they essentially accept most EU regulation in any case.

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by drakonka on Friday September 13, 2019 @10:52AM (#20962676)
There is a brand of Norwegian raw dog and cat food that is imported into Sweden. I'm a little bit paranoid about this outbreak even though I have cats and not dogs, so I'm holding off on purchasing it until the cause has been established and food ruled out.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by pvaldes on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:30PM (#20964286)
Is interesting that cats don't have it. Points to something that is not present in the outdoors and environment. Cat food have also a lot of salmon and other fish.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by outworlder on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:38PM (#20964377)
> Is interesting that cats don't have it. Points to something that is not present in the outdoors and environment. Cat food have also a lot of salmon and other fish.

If this is an infection, we can draw no such conclusions. If it is food, it still doesn't help much – perhaps excluding some food components.

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by pvaldes on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:57PM (#20964582)
Many homes have both pets. In those cases cats steal dog food gladly and would be poisoned also. Cats have often lower weight so should be dying more easily than dogs. Is interesting because is not happening (apparently).
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by cjg_ on Friday September 13, 2019 @11:16AM (#20962877)
Norway is in the EEA and that means they are effectively bound by same rules as the rest of the EU governing trade.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday September 13, 2019 @11:58AM (#20963258)
The EEA free trade and common standards have significant exceptions for agricultural and fisheries products. Norway and so on are not subject to the Common Agricultural Policy or Common Fisheries Policy, and can put significant tariffs on EU products in those areas AIUI.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by hdfbdtbcdg on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:25PM (#20964237)
They are not in the Customs Union.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by NicoJuicy on Friday September 13, 2019 @11:03AM (#20962757)
Only from certain countries, eg. The US cattle/meat has too many steroids for getting through food safety.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by bayesian_horse on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:06PM (#20964696)
They would drop the steroids if they cared about the EU market.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by BurningFrog on Friday September 13, 2019 @11:48AM (#20963161)
EU aside, there must be brands brands that are distributed in Norway but not Sweden.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by pvaldes on Friday September 13, 2019 @05:24PM (#20966746)
Maybe the mountains were shadowing Swedden?
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by pvaldes on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:55PM (#20964558)
> This may indicate that the possible disease is not so contagious from dog to dog

= Is in the digestive, but not in the saliva

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by bayesian_horse on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:03PM (#20964656)
Feces are actually a perfectly workable way of pathogen transmission in dogs...
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by pvaldes on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:09PM (#20964064)
Probably not. Chocolate would cause seizures and cardiac symptoms, vomit and tremors, but not massive gut tissue destruction. And I don't remember any parasite doing this. Clostridum will cause diarrhea, not bleeding.

Is probably a poison, but not chocolate (And I'm including radiation under the "poison label" also. There aren't many things that can wipe the intestinal flora from an animal and replacing it by species that create ultra-resistent spores).

Other option would be food contaminated by spores of Clostridum, pesticides or whatever, but I guess that would be easy to spot the coincidence of a particular brand and batch of dog food in all affected animals.

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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by partialrecall on Friday September 13, 2019 @12:45PM (#20963758)
I thought chocolate was toxic to all dogs.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by outworlder on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:39PM (#20964385)
It is toxic to all dogs.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by pvaldes on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:43PM (#20964426)
To be fair, chocolate is not what it was. Many cheap substitutes on the market
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by bayesian_horse on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:07PM (#20964700)
Still toxic.
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Re:Hundreds of dogs in Norway hit by mystery illness by neverdepp on Saturday September 14, 2019 @08:06AM (#20970276)
Never give chocolate to dogs! That's poisonous. Or to rabbits. Don't let them eat cake either.

Don't be murderously disservant. It's torture for animals to be served with things that fastly kill them. All of those things do.

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