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Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by akersten on Thursday September 12, 2019 @05:07PM (#20956462)
I would hope any case where the emoji is described rather than shown to a jury would be tossed as a mistrial. Could you imagine the court describing video evidence instead of allowing the jury to review it?

And yes, what to show for the emoji? Which platform's rendering? What about reactions to the message that can be added in some apps?

All in all I weigh emojis very little compared to other possible evidence considering how convoluted this all is.

And of course sending someone a knife emoji is not a threat. A threat requires specifics.

Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by dpflan on Thursday September 12, 2019 @05:16PM (#20956549)
Valid point about the rendering: I wonder how often Emoji cross-platform rendering causes confusion. (then such confusion leads to something that is presented in court).

> https://emojipedia.org/

Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by dx87 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:16PM (#20957059)
I could definitely see the gun emoji mentioned in the article causing issues in a court case. For example, if two people get in an argument, and one person thinks they are sending a playful water gun emoji, but the other person receives a real gun emoji. The person receiving the "real gun" emoji might feel threatened, even though the sender thought they were being playful. It's like when you frustrate your spouse and they say they're going to kill you; context matters, and some device vendors silently change the context for political reasons.
Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by levythe on Thursday September 12, 2019 @08:17PM (#20957854)
IANAL, but in my opinion, a gun emoji is not a threat in any isolated context. There would need to be enough other context before I would consider it a threat that the emoji would be irrelevant compared with the other evidence.
Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by warent on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:10PM (#20957002)
I feel like we're overthinking this. Why not just present the court with renderings that would have been used in all devices in question?
Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by cryptoz on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:16PM (#20957064)
I think that's underthinking the issue. It's not just about individual court cases, it's about the dramatic and rapid influence that corporations exert on human-to-human language use. Emoji designs are for-profit investments made by corporations and they are not like normal language.

Corporations are making these emoji and people are using them to communicate. The meanings are ambiguous, never taught in school, tied to profit motives of domestic or foreign corporations, and liable to change at a moment's notice without all parties receiving the same change. It's a mess for future of society and communication, and that it's showing up in court cases with confusion already is a leading indicator that the problems will get worse.

Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by dx87 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:20PM (#20957083)
It could still raise the question of whether the sender knew how their emoji would be rendered on the receivers screen. Did the sender know that their water gun would get rendered as a real gun, causing the receiver to feel threatened, or did they assume it would also be a water gun to the receiver, giving off a playful vibe.
Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by anigbrowl on Thursday September 12, 2019 @07:17PM (#20957516)
Courts still want everything written out as if it had to be read to a blind a blind person, which is why it's unusual to see legal briefs even use bullet points but instead a) make the b) same points inline although this is c) much harder to read.

In general most legal writing and procedure is overwrought and obscurantist, not least to serve as a moat between the profession and the public. While I enjoy reading complex arguments and legal witticisms, such archaisms really do a disservice to the public. Many legal documents could be 2/3 the length and far more accessible without any sacrifice of accuracy or depth.

Re:Emojis are increasingly coming up in court cases by marcosdumay on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:26PM (#20957126)
Well, at least they have a standard description. There are worse things to omit.

If the visual of the emoji is relevant, the defense can always fix it by showing it to the jury.