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Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by bjornsing on Thursday September 12, 2019 @09:42AM (#20951318)
Yea it’s a funny word “overtourism”. I guess it’s what you call it when other people go on vacation (whereas when I go on vacation it’s just “tourism”). :P
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by kjaftaedi on Thursday September 12, 2019 @04:22PM (#20956026)
Living Iceland, the increased amount of tourists means that everything can no longer be written in the local language so that the tourists can understand, and that when you go to a restaurant, you often can't even order food using icelandic as the staff won't understand you, walking down the street, everyone is speaking English to each other, things that used to be free and offered to the public, now have to come at a charge due to the amount of people trying to take advantage of a place or a service, and the fact that we have several times the amount of tourists as we do locals, it's eroding the culture.. quickly.

At least for me, I feel a difference between tourism, and over-tourism.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by jessaustin on Thursday September 12, 2019 @05:44PM (#20956797)
...you often can't even order food using icelandic as the staff won't understand you...

One doubts that the restaurant staff are tourists? You seem to be saying that they aren't Icelandic, however.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by kjaftaedi on Thursday September 12, 2019 @10:59PM (#20958790)
increased tourism, has meant an increased demand in everything.. which has meant an increased demand in low-wage jobs, increasingly held by foreigners looking for work.

I don't see this as a wholly bad thing, but the negative impact is that the people you interact with in the service industry, are not able to converse with you easily.

Imagine living in mexico, walking into a mexican restaraunt, and having to order in english because the wait staff and kitchen can't understand spanish.

It's not the worst thing that's ever happened, but I do miss being able to speak my native language outside of close circles.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by sigstoat on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:28PM (#20957143)
i don't know about iceland specifically, but at least some countries offer various working visas, so you can stay in the country for a year and work to fund it. the folks using those are bit a more likely to end up with jobs in tourism, because they speak the language of the tourists, and they want to be in tourist destinations themselves, being a different form of tourist.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by ohduran on Thursday September 12, 2019 @09:45AM (#20951365)
If it's you, then it's a 'traveler' or a 'wonderlust'. The rest of the world are simply 'tourists'.

It all comes down to the question "who do you think you are to block my path?" It's not a straightforward answer, though. We've been struggling to answer this as human beings since forever.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by jameshart on Thursday September 12, 2019 @08:54PM (#20958076)
Indeed. This exact attitude was satirized in an A Bit of Fry & Laurie sketch waaaay back in 1990:

Hugh: Ah, yes well now you see, I have campaigned for years now to have tourists banned from Venice.

Stephen: Have you? Have you?

Hugh: I have, I have. It sounds very harsh, very cruel, very ...

Stephen: Deglante?

Hugh: Very deglante, thank you. But I'm sure it's the only way.

Leslie: Who was it, who was it, who said "He is a tourist, you are a holidaymaker, but I am a traveller?"

Hugh: Oh, was it Humbert Wolfe?

Stephen: It was Cocteau, surely?

... etc., etc...

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by Scoundreller on Thursday September 12, 2019 @09:55AM (#20951454)
Instead of the destination country finding a way to charge tourists more to discourage them, source countries could tax them more to resolve the issue and keep the monies for themselves.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by Scoundreller on Thursday September 12, 2019 @09:53AM (#20951442)
I think of it as “Only rich people used to be able to come here, but now people of more moderate means can, oh noes”.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by skohan on Thursday September 12, 2019 @10:14AM (#20951660)
I think it's probably a convergence of relatively cheaper air travel and also network effects due to social media. For instance not too long ago, I was in a particularly scenic beach Italy, and was surprised to find that, while it had previously been a destination mostly for Italians, this year they experienced a large number of American tourists even though it's a bit complicated to reach and it's hard to navigate that region with English alone. I suspect you could trace that shift to a social media post or a travel blog.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by Scoundreller on Thursday September 12, 2019 @11:50AM (#20952871)
I see it as the same.

Where before you had to hire your home travel agent to hire a local guide overseas (and know who), you can now do it all yourself via SM.

That massively improves accessibility.

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Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by StavrosK on Thursday September 12, 2019 @02:11PM (#20954500)
This is a useless comment because it takes a wealth issue and tries to turn it into a racial issue. There are poor white people who couldn't go and rich black people who could go, so it's not even apt to say.

Not everything needs to be a matter of race, especially outside the US.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by Nasrudith on Thursday September 12, 2019 @03:23PM (#20955342)
I don't think it is wrong though.

I have seen plenty of "too many tourists" complaints that were blatant xenophobia like complaining about hearing too many foreign languages or "feeling like a foreigner in their own country".

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by StavrosK on Thursday September 12, 2019 @11:27PM (#20958926)
Is that not fair? People don't want tourists in their city, they want other people who are a part of the community.

I guess it depends on how it was said, but this isn't a "white people" issue, mainly because this isn't white-people-specific. I'm sure Nairobi would feel the same way about being overrun by tourists.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by Grue3 on Friday September 13, 2019 @06:35AM (#20960809)
Except it's obviously not a wealth issue. Even poor Norwegian people can visit Norway, because they're already there. They probably don't mind poor Swedes much either. Tourist hatred is almost always rooted in xenophobia.

>especially outside the US

Funny of you to assume US is somehow more racist than the rest of the world.

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by PeterStuer on Thursday September 12, 2019 @10:12AM (#20951632)
Dosage matters. Many things that are completely destructive or toxic are not a problem and even beneficial and enriching in small dosage. Tourism is most definitely one of those things. Typically it benefits a very few in the host location while externalizing the destruction of the culture, the environment and the quality of life for the many that have these places as their home. So it is not about 'you' vs 'the others'. It is about the quantity of people exceeding what is a healthy balance.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by luckylion on Thursday September 12, 2019 @02:13PM (#20954526)
> It is about the quantity of people exceeding what is a healthy balance.

As it is everywhere. If two people don't pay taxes, society functions just normally. If everybody doesn't pay taxes, there is no funding for even the most basic programs. When the argument is "a bit is fine, just not too much", the second part of the argument should always be "and here's how we determine who gets to enjoy it and who is forbidden from enjoying it".

Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by neves on Thursday September 12, 2019 @03:02PM (#20955099)
Not just few people. These are great jobs for an uneducated population.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by PeterStuer on Thursday September 12, 2019 @03:13PM (#20955220)
Did you just say 'trickle down'? Trust me, Norway is just fine without these 'Jobs, jobs, jobs!' excuses by which neoliberals try to excuse their socio-economic destructive practices.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by neves on Friday September 13, 2019 @11:06AM (#20962784)
No, I'm saying that in countries like Brazil, waiter is really decent job. Unfortunately also above average.
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by seiko988 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @10:30AM (#20951848)
Same as: 'You're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic'
Re:Norway's Bold Plan to Tackle Overtourism by tonyedgecombe on Thursday September 12, 2019 @09:55AM (#20951456)
Some of us aren’t convinced whether it’s us travelling or someone else.