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Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by einpoklum on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:13PM (#20943659)
I'm fascinated by the phenomenon of the signing bonus, which in many other countries Doesn't exist.

Do people really get a lump of money just for agreeing to come work there - while they could just leave on day 2 (or day 1) and pocket the thing? Or - is it like a higher first salary? Also, if the position is highly sought-after - isn't it a bit weird that a signing bonus is offered?

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by JoshTriplett on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:16PM (#20943681)
Signing bonuses often have a requirement to stay for a certain amount of time (or you have to return it).

Some signing bonuses help compensate for losing bonuses or unvested stock at a company you're leaving.

Signing bonuses are also great from a company's perspective, because they're a one-time payment that may get you to accept a lower salary. From the employee's perspective, they may be good or bad depending on your needs; consider carefully if you'd rather negotiate for a higher salary instead.

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by sys_64738 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @06:14PM (#20945360)
You need to divide a signing bonus by three to average it over your average time at the company.
Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by cactus2093 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:31PM (#20943801)
You have to pay it back if you don't stay for at least 6 months or a 1 year, so there's not an issue of people leaving day 1.

It's also been most common for new grads I think. Presumably, to help them get a jump start on student loans and get set up comfortably coming out of college, which is of course a bigger problem in the US than anywhere else.

But it seems to be becoming more common for mid-level and senior engineers as well, in these cases I think it's basically a loophole to make up for the fact that bay area engineering positions are continuing to get more competitive to fill, and for whatever reason companies don't fully want to acknowledge this and increase their official pay bands faster.

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by jofer on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:53PM (#20943998)
At least at the companies I've worked at and had offers from, the signing bonus is essentially to make up for the annual bonus you don't get the first year.

E.g. in the oil industry, a significant chunk of your compensation is usually a cash bonus. Equity is reserved for C-level.

The typical starting salary for a new grad PhD or MS in geoscience at the majors is around $110k/year. That usually comes with ~$15-20k signing bonus, that you have to pay back if you leave within two years. However, you don't get an annual bonus your first year. The bonus is ~15% at that level, so it works out to be the same as if you'd gotten your annual bonus your first year.

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by neilv on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @04:09PM (#20944124)
In addition to the things already mentioned, signing bonuses you receive immediately are great for people coming right out of school, or from low pay from academic research jobs or their own scrappy startup.

It helps with any incidental debt that was accruing (separate from student loans), as well as immediate expenses related to the lifestyle bump (e.g., move to an apartment that would pass inspection). Which also benefits the organization, by unburdening the hire of some of those distractions from work.

I suppose a requirement that the employee pay back the bonus if they leave within a certain period is additional incentive for the employee to be genuinely interested and committed, not intending to job-hop for the next slightly-better salary or more promising lottery ticket.

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by einpoklum on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @06:07PM (#20945279)
This kind of bonus is like the piece of cheese in the cage if it prevents you from leaving for a full year...

Also, academic research jobs should be high-pay! It's just that the unionization levels are too low.

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by theaustinseven on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:17PM (#20943686)
Often the money will be given with some agreement to pay it back if the employee leaves before a certain date(and other variations on that theme). It usually compensates for giving up a yearly bonus or the expenses of switching jobs.
Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by scheveningen on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @04:12PM (#20944142)
> Also, if the position is highly sought-after - isn't it a bit weird that a signing bonus is offered?

In today's job market, in software engineering, it's the applicants that are highly sought after. So the signing bonus is used to make the offer more appealing in order to compete better for talent.

In a weaker market, signing bonuses could also be used as a consolation for a lower salary offer.

Re:Compensation in 2019 – new grad tech offers by SeanAppleby on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:51PM (#20943979)
A signing bonus generally has a clause that it has to be repaid if leaving within a short time frame, like within a year.