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Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by throwaway13249 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @10:52AM (#20940799)
I don't understand how HKEX has this much money (or can raise) to buy LSE (or invertly why LSE is worth this much). Exchanges don't do clearing so essentially just a glorified piece of matching software running 24/7. HKEX has their own data center in the middle of nowhere granted which I've been to and yeah more impressive than say an Equinix such HK1 but still the figures don't seem right..
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by ddeck on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:03AM (#20940918)
It's not hard when you have government gifted statutory monopoly and are also given control of listing and clearing regulations.

The government ban on any competition to HKEX means that their net profit margin was 61% last year.

As activist investor David Web put it:

"On top of that, HKEX doesn’t even do its job well as an exchange, because it has been exempted from the Competition Ordinance and has fees, profit margins and archaic practices that only a monopoly could get away with."[2]

>Exchanges don't do clearing

True, but this is HKEX, which stands for Hong Kong Exchanges and Clearing. They operate 4 clearing houses in HK.

update: 61% was first 9-months. Fully year was 58%[1]

[1] https://www.hkex.com.hk/-/media/HKEX-Market/News/News-Releas...

[2] https://webb-site.com/articles/listing170915.asp

Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by hn_throwaway_99 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @10:54AM (#20940813)
> Exchanges don't do clearing so essentially just a glorified piece of matching software running 24/7.

You just described Google, and they seem to have plenty of cash in the bank.

Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by throwaway13249 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:04AM (#20940921)
Exchanges only have a couple of hundred customers afaiu, with the volume coming through only a couple of dozen, everyone else is through their prime broker. In other words there is a limit on how much they can pull fees up before liquidity moves elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised too if the matching software was off the shelf.
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by derefr on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:47AM (#20941410)
> I wouldn’t be surprised too if the matching software was off the shelf

If there exists a business whose product is “scalable real-time order-book matching software” as licensed software or SaaS, I’d love to know about it! I’m in an adjacent space, and I’d love to strike up a partnership with such folks.

As far as I know, such a business doesn’t exist; all the big exchanges maintain their own core IP, much like all the big telcos in the 90s maintained their own core telecom-equipment IP. From what I know of the space, each player thinks that licensing the IP would just be either inviting a new player to the table, or more likely inviting enough new players to the table that other parts of the trading value chain would start to see value in abstracting-away and commoditizing their part of it.

Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by pdovy on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @01:09PM (#20942380)
I'm not quite sure how the terms / licensing for this works, but anecdotally OSE, SGX, TOCOM, BrokerTec and at least the derivatives business in Hong Kong all run on some variant of Nasdaq technology.
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by andylynch on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @01:26PM (#20942578)
Second Nasdaq. They lead in this space. Also challenging is Aquis with the technology behind their own venue.
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by wibble10 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:10PM (#20943634)
Murex is going “cloud”
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by jbottoms on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @10:59AM (#20940862)
It might be state money. Just seeing the transaction flow is gold. And once you have sold an exchange, you might never get an opportunity to buy it back.
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by Scoundreller on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:37AM (#20941282)
They’re not just buying the LSE, but the LSE group, which also owns clearing houses and other stuff.
Re:Hong Kong Exchanges Bids $39B to Take over London Stock E... by tachyonbeam on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:12AM (#20941000)
Control over one of the world's biggest stock exchanges? Access to data? That seems like it's worth a lot of money in today's world.