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Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by ehsankia on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:09PM (#20932190)
> Better computational photography

Basically catching up to the Pixel

> new immersive audio algorithms

Will have to try it out but it sounds very much like fluff

> on-CPU changes for optimized ML matrix computations

So faster matrix multiplies are a user-facing feature?

Other than the camera changes, there was no features an average user would be excited over. No new tech like face unlock, animojis, Samsung's audio focus, Pixel's Soli, or other real new features.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by z5h on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:16PM (#20932297)
I was countering your claim that these were spec bumps. Now we're instead having a discussion about Android phones and Animojis?

I can't keep track.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by ehsankia on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:51PM (#20933571)
I categorize announcements in two buckets:

1. Spec bumps: These are mostly invisible to the consumer, it just gives them a phone that's slightly faster or lasts longer. Faster matrix multiply falls into this category.

2. Features: These are actual changes the user can see and interact with. I named a few examples, both on software (animoji/sound focus) and hardware (face unlock/soli) side.

This presentation had almost none of the latter, other than Dark Mode. I'm not sure why that statement is so hard to understand. None of the stuff you named were really features. No one goes to the store to buy the phone with the slightly faster cpu or better matrix multiplies.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by nanoservices on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:24PM (#20932431)
> Now we're instead having a discussion about Android phones and Animojis?

Because you & apple during the presentation made is sound like computational photography in phones was something ground breaking and never before seen. Its been in the Pixel phone for years.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by colejohnson66 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:55PM (#20932913)
No one said it was new. They said it was big for Apple. Yes, Apple is always behind their competitors in many things, but that’s not why people buy Apple.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by spike021 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:58PM (#20932951)
I'm never sure why everything always has to be about "X was slow to do Y, and now they're finally catching up to Z".

It is how it is, just let it be. If you prefer a certain brand then just go with that brand. Otherwise it's just a wasted effort to be trying to brag for one brand you don't even work for that they did something faster than another one.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by ehsankia on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:46PM (#20933522)
Even ignoring that line, it's still basically the only feature they announced for the phone...
Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by prewett on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:10PM (#20933795)
Other than the 20% faster CPU, 4-5 additional hours of battery life, 2e6:1 contrast ratio, and 30% faster FaceID (which might be the difference between the phone seeming to immediately unlock and pausing briefly)?

If Intel or AMD announces a 20% faster chip it would be met with applause. Now imagine if they announced a 20% faster chip that also used 25% less energy. And it also takes great pictures with three different lenses, recognizes your face, has one of the best screens ever made, and so on. If that's not impressive, what would Apple have to do to be impressive?

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by FireBeyond on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:10PM (#20933104)
> It is how it is, just let it be.

It's the corollary to:

> Apple are so incredible at delivering this kind of stuff that it seems routine

Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by baddox on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:16PM (#20933176)
Would it be more impressive if they didn't try to catch up to the Pixel?
Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by sbierwagen on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:51PM (#20933582)
Animojis as "new tech" that an "average user would be excited over"?
Re:iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max by ehsankia on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:27PM (#20936330)
Do you think an average user is more excited by animojis or faster matrix multiplies?