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Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by graeme on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:57AM (#20927610)
It says co2 doesn't impact temperature:

"While most of the current climatologists who collaborate with the United Nations believe anthropogenic CO2 emissions have exacerbated natural warming in recent decades, there is no empirical proof to support their claim. The only way to test it would be to wait and see if their assumptions come true.

The entire climate fraternity was in for a surprise when global temperature between 2000 and 2016 failed to rise as anticipated by the climate alarmists. The scientists assumed that rising CO2 emissions from human activity would result in a rapid rise in temperature, but they didn’t.

This proved that atmospheric CO2 concentrations are not the primary factor controlling global temperature. Consideration of a much longer period (10,000 or more years) suggests that CO2 had no significant role to play in temperature increases. CO2 never was the temperature control knob."

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by swsieber on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:37PM (#20930870)
At that's patently false? Reading through the supporting material it seems like a pretty good point - CO2 follows, not drives temperature.

https://cornwallalliance.org/2012/12/carbon-dioxide-and-air-...

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by graeme on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @02:57PM (#20931954)
That's from the article. The author of that post has had virtually all of his work funded by the oil industry.

That doesn't make him wrong, but it does raise questions. There are also few who agree with his stance.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/26/uds-david-leg...

Fully examining arguments against Legates would be a lot of work, but here's a discussion of his most recent paper.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97...

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by swsieber on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:21PM (#20932372)
That has virtually nothing about his claims, just his funding. And while the source of funding is important, I'd love to see an analysis of the actual claims/science.
Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by graeme on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:25PM (#20932445)
Oops, my mistake. I meant to link two articles, left off the second. This is the one I was referring to with my final para. Will edit my comment above if I can

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97...

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by swsieber on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:29PM (#20933315)
Many thanks :)
Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by stanfordkid on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @09:11AM (#20927715)
The thing with ZeroHedge is that you will see an article like this alongside another one like this: https://www.zerohedge.com/health/temperatures-pacific-ocean-...

It is in aggregate an extreme blog with narratives that are non-consensus. So, yes, climate denial fits in that box, but it will also have articles on climate apocalypse. In aggregate I find it to be fairly eye-opening and bring to light ideas that are forgotten by mainstream media. It also has a healthy disregard for any form of consensus reality or authority.

Furthermore, in the very article you linked there is a link to a NATURE commentary: https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2938.epdf

Of course, we should leave it to experts to interpret a scientific paper such as this one, but my perception is that reporters do not always get it right. In all of the NYTimes you just hear the consensus from organizations such as the UN, I have yet to see an interview with an author of a paper such as the one mentioned above.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by graeme on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @09:25AM (#20927845)
Ironically this seems a good case of gelman amnesia. If you think he's wrong on climate (a MAJOR thing to be wrong about), why would you trust his opinion on subjects where you know less?

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I didn't link the article, I just reply to the comment asking what was wrong. But he's very much wrong and that nature article doesn't support him. He said CO2 did not lead to a rise in temperature. That article says there was a lower than expected rise in temperature - it's still rose!

He said co2 has no significant impact on temperature which is definitely not what that paper is saying. They refer to co2 as anthropogenic forcing.

Full text is here: http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/Mann/articles/...

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by patthebunny on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @12:06PM (#20929732)
Right, that's the sort of bullshit that media has always pulled.

Give equal time to both sides, even when one side is blatantly full of shit. It's ridiculous.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by setr on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @09:32AM (#20927941)
The main thrust there is that CO2 is not the primary motivator, but instead something else is; which they provide some supporting links for (which I haven’t bothered to review).

And that CO2 not being “proven” as the primary motivator due to lack of testing is also trivially true — we only have the one earth to test on, so we test on models; and our understanding of earth is hardly complete, and so too must be our model.

The conclusions may be “wrong” but at least that article is hardly making things up as they go along