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Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by vkou on Monday September 09, 2019 @05:48PM (#20922833)
It's actually the middle class that pays the price, through insurance premiums, out-of-pocket co-pays, and high deductibles. Poor people have Medicaid.

Medicaid, which even happens to pay reasonable amounts for procedures performed. The entire system would re-adjust into a sustainable steady-state, if all prices were equivalent to Medicaid reimbursements. But I suppose that under such a model, the average middle-aged surgeon wouldn't be able to afford their third summer home...

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by munk-a on Monday September 09, 2019 @06:02PM (#20922973)
Medicaid is probably the second best place to be in the US system after Medicare - but it suffers from extreme politicization of care (good luck trying to get HRT or an abortion on Medicaid), rationing, shortage of supply (not all providers are required to or will service Medicaid patients) and stringent requirements to ensure continued availability (these in particular are getting much worse under pushes to get rid of "welfare queens" _sigh_).

That said, the only way to win is to not play - never get sick and emigrate before you have any serious health issues.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by PorterDuff on Monday September 09, 2019 @06:50PM (#20923363)
My guess is that the current sweet spot is lower income ACA Silver plans.

OTOH, I'd say that the people who got really nailed with the ACA were the middle-class individual policy holders.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by vkou on Monday September 09, 2019 @06:11PM (#20923040)
All of these problems come from Medicaid and Medicare paying a lot less for procedure performed (In line with what Canada, and Europe pays) than the public market. It's a drain on most hospital budgets.

If all procedures performed were done at Medicaid-like prices, hospitals and physicians, and pharma firms, and, by proxy, insurers and medical schools would have to tighten their belts, and figure out how to cut costs. That's the entire point of such an exercise. We can't let health costs grow in an unbounded manner.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by PorterDuff on Monday September 09, 2019 @06:52PM (#20923375)
100% agree with the drain on hospital budgets, at least so far as I know.

Dunno how 'Medicare for all' will work out if you simply start paying providers what Medicare currently pays. Dictating a price might work in the long run but would be plenty hairy in the short.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by munk-a on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:48PM (#20931020)
A lot of people that get paid a lot of money for doing absolutely nothing will lose their job - tough luck for them.

I can sympathize with the on-the-ground employees but the businesses they're keeping the lights on in are leeches on the healthcare market - I posted separately on this article going into the specific functions of PBMs, Pharmaceutical Manufacturers, Providers and Insurers if you're curious about the details, but there is a ton of inefficiency here.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by PorterDuff on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @02:37PM (#20943284)
I'm thinking partly in terms of paying US health professionals what they make in places like France. A certain amount of hilarity would ensue.
Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by hansthehorse on Monday September 09, 2019 @06:08PM (#20923013)
Medicare is only good if you carry a separate policy to cover the 20% copay. It's really not to difficult to run up a 100k copay with one serious illness.
Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by geggam on Monday September 09, 2019 @07:34PM (#20923679)
Really poor people simply go to the doctor because they know the doctor has to treat them and they know no one will come after them since they have nothing.
Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by vkou on Monday September 09, 2019 @07:39PM (#20923714)
Unless you are going to the ER, your doctor isn't obligated to treat you...

And if the ER thinks you're a deadbeat, they will give you the minimal treatment necessary to make sure that you won't die on the hospital grounds - and discharge you.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by geggam on Monday September 09, 2019 @07:45PM (#20923745)
I know someone who continued to take her kid to the doctor every day until they finally gave in and diagnosed her kid with something and now she gets help.

Makes me ill to think of the cost.

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by pnutjam on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:25AM (#20928547)
This is an interesting peek into how you see the world. You're frugal?
Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by geggam on Thursday September 12, 2019 @09:03AM (#20950930)
Nothing wrong with her kid
Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by pnutjam on Friday September 13, 2019 @07:14AM (#20961035)
Yeah, it is wrong from multiple perspectives.

Christian (judging others), logical (how much does she know), fiscal (most costs to system are not kids)

Forgot parenting (who else is supposed advocate for the kid?)

Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by noobermin on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:28AM (#20927429)
One anecdote doesn't make for statistics.
Re:Health system sues thousands of patients, seizes pay and ... by geggam on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:21AM (#20929197)
Its not just one anecdote. I grew up in that level of poor. It is a culture