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Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by 29athrowaway on Sunday September 08, 2019 @10:40PM (#20914802)
> "Understand the business aspect of your work, and what makes money. Eventually, only that matters."

How about ethics? company reputation? legal compliance? corporate responsibility?

Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by LaGrange on Sunday September 08, 2019 @11:07PM (#20914908)
Caring about ethics is too old fashioned for software "engineering," reputation is maintained by someone else, software developers tend to think the law happens to other people and HAHAHAHAHA.

...that's about it.

Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by 29athrowaway on Monday September 09, 2019 @03:19AM (#20915916)
Engineers at a known european auto maker created a solution to defeat car emissions tests. As a result, there were cars on the streets that polluted hundreds of times more than a regular car.

Delivery and ridesharing apps have algorithms that are almost indifferent from tip skimming. Many people working on those platforms live in financial hardship.

In an east asian country, people live under constant surveillance: physical (cameras, face detection), financial, and online activity. If you criticize the government you lose access to everything: payments, transport, credit, job, etc.

If you were paid a lot of money, would you implement those "solutions"?

That is the importance of ethics.

Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by LaGrange on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @02:22PM (#20931457)
You are trying to convince me that ethics are important. I already believe that. You perhaps might try to convince me that companies care about that, but you started off with a bunch of counter examples.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by cb504 on Monday September 09, 2019 @03:35AM (#20915979)
In addition to the ethical aspects of the product, I would add, that I always ask myself, "if I was laid off today, can I use my current job to get another job."

I worked at a company where the the work I was assigned was undermining my career to the point that if I didn't do something on the side, I wouldn't be able to pass an interview.

So while the business aspect is important, it is not the only thing that matters; it never is.

Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by pavanlimo on Sunday September 08, 2019 @10:55PM (#20914856)
OP has shared the github repo where these pointers are maintained and has encouraged pull requests to improve on the list.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by littleblah on Monday September 09, 2019 @01:00AM (#20915321)
Definitely. Thanks for pointing out the gaps. I will revisit this list in some time, and make changes based on feedback. If you can, feel free to contribute through the shared github link.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by siquick on Sunday September 08, 2019 @10:54PM (#20914853)
None of that matters if employees aren't getting paid.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by icebraining on Monday September 09, 2019 @07:14AM (#20917079)
Being a prerequisite is not the same as being the only thing that matters. Also, the company making money does not mean the employees will get paid.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by tracer4201 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @11:15PM (#20914937)
Your post comes off as if the author is purposely avoiding these topics. No doubt they’re important, but while many software people will look at a company’s reputation or take ethics for granted (in the sense that of course it’s important), many software people, especially juniors, don’t stop to think about the business value of spending X on Y. Everything has a cost - for example, spending the extra time optimizing your code has a cost. Value is what you want to produce at the end of the day, not a grand architecture or extremely optimized code. Those may or may not be a means to an end. That’s not to say you should ignore ethical or legal consequences. I don’t think people generally want to break the law.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by icebraining on Monday September 09, 2019 @07:20AM (#20917111)
People generally don't want the company to lose money either. Many ethical and even law violations happen for the same reason you gave: they don’t stop to think about it. Ethical and legal consequences are not always obvious.
Re:Show HN: A Senior Engineer's CheckList by 29athrowaway on Monday September 09, 2019 @03:29AM (#20915947)
You are conflating software engineering good practices with ethics. They slightly overlap but are not the same.

Balancing strategy and tactics is something you do as you become senior. Pumping tech debt is a tactic, good practices are a strategy.