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Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by fragsworth on Sunday September 08, 2019 @04:22PM (#20913162)
Since "real" was in quotes, I assume they're talking about the change to sound quality that is caused by the physical touching of the devices. It's not necessarily more clear or better, it's just different, and that's the point of doing something so retro. But if you aren't actually doing that thing, it loses a lot of the psychological value.

It's similar in some sense to the reasons why people go to see live concerts. The sound quality isn't better, it's just different, and feels "more real", although for concerts it is also helped by the fact that you're actually there.

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by grawprog on Sunday September 08, 2019 @07:56PM (#20914138)
>It's similar in some sense to the reasons why people go to see live concerts. The sound quality isn't better, it's just different, and feels "more real", although for concerts it is also helped by the fact that you're actually there

As I don't have thousands of dollars worth of stage speakers, amplifiers and audio equipment, there's a very noticable difference in sound quality between live shows and recorded music, depending on the venue.

You're also missing out a pretty big part of live shows, there's a difference between hearing a musician play a song live vs a recording. A recording is almost never one single take straight through and, depending on the artist, can be a fairly different rendition of the song.

An example, last concert I went to was cypress hill, they had a different DJ with them that mixed their tunes up pretty differently so the performance was.nothing like listening to one of their albums.

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by perl4ever on Sunday September 08, 2019 @08:46PM (#20914320)
I don't see how CDs, in the abstract, can really be different from records, in that, surely you could apply a suitable filter to a CD decoder to make the output sound exactly like a record. Especially given modern computing power. It's just that, I assume, people have chosen not to.
Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by jcelerier on Monday September 09, 2019 @09:21AM (#20917841)
same reason even the best CRT emulation shaders on a 4k screen still don't look as nice as a SNES game in a good CRT TV
Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by mrob on Monday September 09, 2019 @10:11AM (#20918326)
That's largely because no currently available 4K screen can replicate the decay curve of CRT phosphors. MicroLED screens could theoretically manage it.
Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by stordoff on Sunday September 08, 2019 @07:09PM (#20913960)
> The sound quality isn't better

For some bands, I'd actually disagree with that. Both what they are playing is better, and their released material is compressed to hell and back[1], which seems to be less prevalent live (though far from gone).

No doubt they _could_ do that recorded (anything you can do live you can match in a studio), but they _aren't_ doing.

There's also the non-musical elements - there's a difference between just playing some music and putting on a show.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by kibibu on Sunday September 08, 2019 @08:00PM (#20914151)
In a very concrete way, the inability to apply hard-clipped brick-wall limiting and extreme compression is why vinyl often does sound better than CD - the physics of the needle-in-groove mean that there are limits to the amplitudes you can try to encode without bouncing the damn thing out.

So vinyl masters often (but not always) avoid the loudness war and have a wider dynamic range.

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by ScottBurson on Sunday September 08, 2019 @10:21PM (#20914718)
Hmm, this seems to be a common idea, but I don't think it's true. As I said above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20914699
Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by kibibu on Monday September 09, 2019 @03:07AM (#20915869)
The problem isn't with the compression part per se, but rather with clipping. The two typically go hand in hand for modern needle-in-the-red CD masters.
Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by avip on Sunday September 08, 2019 @04:51PM (#20913334)
Maybe true for rock concerts. Definitely false for classic or jazz live performances.
Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by dredmorbius on Sunday September 08, 2019 @05:00PM (#20913386)
Which part is false? "Feels more real" or "sound quality isn't better"?

I suspect you mean the latter, though with modern audio tech, well-mic'd and mastered recordings can easily sound ... if not better, then more intense, than live performances.

Though there's nothing like seeing the music being performed live.

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by avip on Sunday September 08, 2019 @05:23PM (#20913506)
Yes, excuse the ambiguity.

To me a philharmonic concert sounds... very different than recorded audio. I'm confident I can double-blindly 100% tell the difference. And so can everyone else. This is one experiment I'd be happy to participate in.

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by OJFord on Sunday September 08, 2019 @05:38PM (#20913603)
I don't even really listen to music and I could do that.

And the obvious difference: live 'rock' etc. is still coming through speakers.

Re:Vinyl set to outsell CDs for first time since 1986 by wallflower on Sunday September 08, 2019 @10:53PM (#20914850)
Steinway Lyngdorf

> To demonstrate the veracity of Lyngdorf's "Is it real, or is it Memorex" claim, Birkelund invited the trio to begin performing. After playing for what felt like, at most, 30 seconds, the musicians began to fade out as the volume of a pre-recorded track of the same music was turned up. Although the much too short demo left many in the room a gasp at how remarkably close the live trio and tuned-to-the-room system sounded, Birkelund failed to mention that the Model D system was never silent.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/steinway-lyngdorfs-elega...