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Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by echelon on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:04PM (#20900305)
How do you do this? I would literally die. I can't live life so breathlessly with what sounds like no room for breaks. Are weekends even enough for you to recover?

Forget burning out of a job, I'd burn out on life.

Mad props to you. You've got a hell of a lot more discipline than I do. Your kids owe you.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by JohnFen on Friday September 06, 2019 @07:00PM (#20900632)
I thought the same until I had kids. This sort of thing is part and parcel of having children, you really do learn not only to handle it, but to derive enjoyment from the situation overall.

If it helps any, my experience is that it's hardest on the day your child is born, but it gets progressively easier as the years go by and the children become increasingly self-sufficient.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by jacobolus on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:06PM (#20900928)
> hardest on the day your child is born, but it gets progressively easier

A 3-year-old definitely takes a lot more continuous attention than a newborn (assuming the newborn is healthy, eats and sleeps okay, ...).

I was able to get some amount of work done while taking care of my first kid up to about age 1. In the two years since then, not so much (I just pray for conveniently timed naps). The second one is 6 months old, and is way easier to take care of right now.

If you just accept that you will be doing no independent creative work, then a 2+ year old isn’t too bad. They can start to “help” with routine chores, can walk around for themselves, can feed themselves, eventually stop needing diapers, etc. The work is not really hard per se. More like relentless.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by jmb12686 on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:42PM (#20901070)
Amen to this... 3.5 yr old and twin infants here... I haven't been able to concentrate in years. When I have attempted to produce anything of value (in job or hobby), it's been at the expense of my family...
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by war1025 on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:09PM (#20901542)
Gotta love the "this project needs to get done, so who's going to be mad at me and how far can I push it?" feeling.

Sometimes friends or family members ask me why XYZ projects are half completed, and it's hard to properly find the wording for "I want my wife to still like me at the end of most days".

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by darkerside on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:17PM (#20901180)
> assuming the newborn is healthy, eats and sleeps okay

This is an enormous assumption. Many babies are fussy, colicky, or otherwise high maintenance. The variation at this age is just ridiculous.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by jefftk on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:29PM (#20901220)
> A 3-year-old definitely takes a lot more continuous attention than a newborn

I think this varies enormously between kids, and to some extent between parenting styles as well. With my particular kids (5y and 3y) I can often spend a whole afternoon working on a project while they play individually or together; at younger ages the time commitment was far larger (nearly continuous).

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by adamhepner on Monday September 09, 2019 @04:07AM (#20916120)
Ha! My boy (almost 3) may be playing with his legos for whole afternoon, but the moment I peek in the general direction of my laptop, he wants to bang on the keyboard. Not any keyboard (tried that), but my keyboard specifically.

And when it comes to "it depends on the kid", oh dear. I try to practice stoicism whenever I remember about it, and logically I try to remember that I should be grateful for his fussiness and rebelliousness, since they give me occasions to practice my stoicism. But it sure does feel a bit like stockholm syndrome sometimes.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by war1025 on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:06PM (#20901530)
I think of our three year old as more or less self sufficient around the house at this point. Though I guess she will be four in two months.

My personal experience both from growing up and now raising three kids is that the kids will accept just as much independence as you are willing to give them.

Though they do get to be whiny sometimes. And I absolutely agree about the relentlessness of it all.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by colordrops on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:28PM (#20901020)
As a father, support of the mother takes lot more work when she's taking care of newborn than a 3 year old. As a mother, a newborn is certainly a lot more difficult, if not more physically taxing, than a 3 year old. Also, it takes months for the mother to recover from birth trauma.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by jacobolus on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:33PM (#20901043)
This seems to vary from family to family / child to child.

I wouldn’t describe anything (after maybe the birth itself, which I can’t answer about) related to our 6 month old so far as “difficult”. It is only “physically taxing” insofar as it takes a lot of time every day, and alongside other obligations (in particular, the 3-year-old) that leaves everyone a bit sleep deprived. I would say the 3-year-old takes at least twice as much time and 5x as much effort. (The work is stuff like reading books together, building block towers, running around the playground, preparing food, etc. Nothing especially challenging by itself.)

My wife gets burned out pretty quickly when I leave her with both kids on the weekend for most of a day. She’s generally relieved to get back to the office on Monday and leave them to me. :-)

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by TheHegemon on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:06PM (#20900933)
> If it helps any, my experience is that it's hardest on the day your child is born, but it gets progressively easier as the years go by and the children become increasingly self-sufficient.

Not sure what kind of beings you're raising but my experience with three kids is that it gets progressively harder until around 5 and stays stable until 13 and gets much harder from there.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by irrational on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:17PM (#20908394)
It also depends on the gender. In my experience girl's are much harder as teenagers than boys. YMMV
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by segmondy on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:53PM (#20900595)
This is the real life of folks with kids, so if you have coworkers with kids be a bit emphatic, now imagine them doing all this and having to worry because maybe one or more of them happen to be sick. If you have kids, either you become good with time management or life will beat the crap out of you.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by meddlepal on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:03PM (#20901335)
On one hand I agree with your statement, on the other hand, kids are a choice.

Should I also be giving people lots of slack for getting drunk and coming to work hungover? That was a choice too.

Don't respond with some biological need nonsense. Last time I checked we're not automatons that slavishly need to fulfill our biological needs.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by zamfi on Saturday September 07, 2019 @01:09AM (#20901910)
I can’t tell if you’re trolling, but some people do believe this.

Society benefits from people having (a reasonable number of) children. Without them, humanity is done. Perhaps you think that’s for the best anyway, in which case I wonder why you’re doing anything at all.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by irrational on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:44PM (#20900543)
What is a weekend? Honestly, weekends are super busy. I actually look forward to Mondays when I can go back to work and sit in front of a computer for much of the day.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by hboon on Saturday September 07, 2019 @02:21AM (#20902124)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by TaylorAlexander on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:43PM (#20901266)
I definitely couldn’t do it. After a few years at a corporate gig I’ve taken a new job with extremely flexible hours. I work 20 hours/4 days a week. Four five hour work days a week. It’s a HUGE difference.

It’s crazy to me that people are willing to give so much of their life to their employer. Is your life not worth more to you than that? You’ll sell decades of your life just for a nice paycheck? Aside from the fact that it’s mostly all that’s on offer WHY do people do this?

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by echelon on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:47PM (#20901282)
How much do you earn, if you don't mind my asking? And what sort of work is it?
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by TaylorAlexander on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:33PM (#20901424)
$100 an hour as an independent contractor developing farming robots at a place that feels very very good for me.

EDIT: I definitely got very lucky finding this position. I’m not suggesting everyone can just do this. But if people don’t refuse to work 40-50 hour work weeks, then that’s what employers will expect.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by solotronics on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:18PM (#20901577)
Even though people claim to work 40-50 hours many times they are spending half that time watching videos or messing around, this is a generalization of course.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by TaylorAlexander on Saturday September 07, 2019 @01:23AM (#20901962)
It’s true. It’s frustrating because when I was hourly at Google I was extremely mindful to always be working when I was billing. Don’t bill for lunch. Don’t bill for long coffee breaks, etc. But when I billed 30-35 hour weeks it felt like my manager thought I wasn’t working hard enough. It’s like... I was probably working just as much as many full time employees who don’t count their hours. My managers manager told me they expect people to sometimes work 50-60 hours on big projects and I was like “nooope”. 20 hours a week suits me nicely.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by johntash on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:20PM (#20906246)
What country are you in if you don't mind?

I don't really know how it works in countries with better healthcare, but in the US you usually have to work fulltime to get any sort of benefits from your employer. And benefits through the marketplace (not through an employer) are generally expensive for what they offer.

Someone in the US would need to make quite a bit to be able to do part time.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by TaylorAlexander on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:38PM (#20935439)
I’m in the US and I pay about $550 a month for health insurance. I’m a 34 year old white male. I factored the cost of insurance in to my bill rate when negotiating this position.

Maybe some day we’ll get universal health care.

Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by mumblemumble on Friday September 06, 2019 @07:56PM (#20900896)
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by irrational on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:20PM (#20908403)
That's brilliant! And so true.
Re:Slow Mornings May Be a Secret to Tech-Life Balance by solotronics on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:14PM (#20901561)
Meanwhile I'm over here having trouble getting up before 9am, I make up for it by spending time coding at night and on the weekends sometimes instead of paying video games. I figure if I bring something to work useful on Monday and say "hey! look at this cool thing I built over the weekend" people seem to leave me alone about coming to the office at 10/11am