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Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by rsync on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:47AM (#20893146)
ZFS snapshots are immutable (read-only) for normal users.

So, if you had your data stored on a cloud storage platform that created and maintained ZFS snapshots, Mallory could gain all of the credentials and still not be able to touch your daily/weekly/monthly snapshots.

Now, if only there were a cloud backup platform that included zfs snapshots ...

Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by masklinn on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:13AM (#20893474)
> ZFS snapshots are immutable (read-only) for normal users.

Unless you've given them "destroy" that is.

> Now, if only there were a cloud backup platform that included zfs snapshots ...

I see what you did there...

Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by nikolay on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:25AM (#20893522)
Yup, he's the guy behind https://www.rsync.net/
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by VectorLock on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:49AM (#20894316)
I wonder when ransomware will get smart enough to detect backups and insinuate themselves into them to foil the "just restore from backups" strategy.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by emmp on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:36AM (#20895999)
Yes. They are often targeting IT providers of SMBs by phishing/otherwise compromising their credentials, and deleting backups before encrypting. It works sometimes, 2FA hygiene and secondary site redundancy are usually good enough to protect you.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by i_cant_speel on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:39PM (#20899133)
If you inject the ransomware into a system that is subsequently backed up and wait a significant period of time, you could potentially lock all backups as they are restored. Then people have to decide between paying up or restoring to a time before the ransomware was injected.

I'm not sure if it's feasible to have ransomware lock backups as they're restored, however.

Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by ev0lv on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:36AM (#20896574)
2FA is so overrated. You can so easily do a sim swap to get access to a particular phone number and bypass 2FA.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by therealrootuser on Friday September 06, 2019 @11:47AM (#20896697)
The problem isn't with 2FA, the problem is with SMS-based 2FA.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by bonestamp2 on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:13PM (#20896925)
True, and that's why you shouldn't use SMS 2FA. The unfortunate part is when that's the only method offered.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by parliament32 on Friday September 06, 2019 @01:18PM (#20897574)
TOTP and HOTP 2FA are unbreakable and supported by literally everyone. Who still does SMS 2FA anymore?
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by out_of_protocol on Friday September 06, 2019 @01:41PM (#20897818)
Lots, unfortunately. With no way to opt out
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by LoveKebabble on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:29AM (#20895418)
They already do, I worked a case last week where that happened.

Trickbot for example will be on a machine for 2-5 months so that it's in your backups, and is commonly followed by Ryuk ransomware.

So if you get hit with Ryuk and just restore from backups without re-mediating anything you will likely be hit with Ryuk again.

Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by mkagenius on Friday September 06, 2019 @06:52AM (#20894537)
Most likely they already do that if its on the same computer. Details aren't out yet, but I would guess the backups came from other computers.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday September 06, 2019 @09:16AM (#20895325)
There are many known cases of ransomware attacks that have deleted backup repositories.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by icebraining on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:31AM (#20893753)
What if someone uses the credentials to file a support request in that platform asking the snapshots to be deleted?
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by jdnenej on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:12AM (#20893922)
Hopefully anyone with the ability to delete them would decline such a request.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by icebraining on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:04AM (#20894140)
So the platform would keep data against the wishes of the client? That doesn't sound good.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by afiori on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:20AM (#20894208)
A better interpretation is that there might be multiple channels used for different identification purposes (a la 2-factor authentication) and the provider can ask for confirmation in a higher security channel. Whether this is done/feasible in practice is debatable.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by TomMarius on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:20AM (#20894207)
More like it would include a more elaborate, person to person process.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by wil421 on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:04AM (#20895719)
Is ZFS really that popular in the enterprise? Amazon GovCloud is not that old and I doubt municipalities have switched to AWS. They might not have the same FedRamp requirements as federal agencies.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by emmp on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:32AM (#20895959)
I don't know about the Enterprise, but Datto is a very popular backup appliance provider among small/medium businesses and some smaller municipal governments, which uses zfs snapshots as it's storage backend.
Re:US city rejects $5.3M ransom demand and restores encrypte... by wil421 on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:53AM (#20896164)
Datto is interesting. I suppose small to medium businesses and governments could just use off the shelf NAS products.