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Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by ghaff on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @07:54PM (#20882580)
Even more generally, when I've thought about getting a drone, I imagine flying it around my house a few times, take some video, and then what?

I don't really want to take it out into nature environments. That seems obnoxious where it's even allowed.

I suppose I could find clubs that fiddle with the things but I don't really have the interest.

So, basically, I have trouble imagining how I'd use them for more than a couple days.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by driverdan on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:02PM (#20882622)
I have a DJI Spark. It's loud when it's close but as soon as it's a few hundred feet away you can barely hear it. I primarily use it in nature and usually use it at 200-400ft elevation. At 200 ft it's quieter than standing next to a running car. At 400 ft you really have to try to hear it.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by reaperducer on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:22PM (#20882745)
It's loud when it's close but as soon as it's a few hundred feet away you can barely hear it.

If you're in an open area. And if there is only one drone.

A couple of years ago I was in a serene canyon in Utah enjoying the peace and watching nature when three drones decided to scare away the bighorn sheep.

People don't hate drones because they hate drones. That's why many seem to like the idea of Amazon/UPS drone deliveries. They hate drones because of what the drone pilots do with them.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by caconym_ on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @10:24PM (#20883345)
"Quieter than standing next to a running car" isn't a good criterion for subjecting strangers to noise in a public place they're probably visiting at least in part to get some quiet and seclusion.

I don't mean to be a dick; I've been flying R/C for ~25 years and I know how difficult it can be to find fun places to fly and how frustrating when other people get in the way of that. But I also really appreciate quietness and because I live in a city it's a rare gift for me when I do get out into nature. Please have some consideration for others and don't unilaterally decide what noise level is acceptable for them unless there are already significant sources of noise present or you're really sure nobody else is around.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by droithomme on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:57PM (#20883720)
The guys with their ATVs and dirt bikes and those dumping trash everywhere are also huge problems.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by jessaustin on Thursday September 05, 2019 @12:10AM (#20883775)
Yeah but mostly on BLM land, and that's kind of what it's for? As long as the local USFS rangers are writing tickets, they mostly stay out of national forest. I'm never seen them at national parks, wilderness areas, etc.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by schaefer on Thursday September 05, 2019 @02:27AM (#20884329)
BLM land is most certainly NOT for dumping trash...
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by driverdan on Thursday September 05, 2019 @08:43PM (#20892014)
I was trying to think of something to compare it to that others would relate to. A car wasn't a good example since the dB level varies significantly. I was trying to make the point that it's quiet at that distance. If you were having a conversation with someone you wouldn't notice it.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by mlang23 on Thursday September 05, 2019 @05:01AM (#20885054)
For me, standing next to a running car is already sort of noise polution, especially if the car could be turned off as well.

Last time I heard a drone fly overhead, I definitely felt anoyed. People tend to overlook the impact their toys have on other individuals

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by Angostura on Thursday September 05, 2019 @03:52AM (#20884713)
> At 200 ft it's quieter than standing next to a running car.

Really very loud then for the people around you in a nature environment.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by Frondo on Thursday September 05, 2019 @09:28AM (#20886429)
Maybe you have to try to hear it, but I spend a lot of time in large public parks and, without fail, hear drones flying overhead.

This just started in the last year or so, where virtually every time there's a drone off in the distance.

I don't have great hearing either (especially in one ear), after playing some musical instruments that you hold close to one ear to play. Those things are just loud and stand out when the other noises are the wind in the trees, birds, and the rustle of small animals in the underbrush.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by 14 on Thursday September 05, 2019 @12:24AM (#20883815)
Have you ever been to go karts? To me flying a drone is much like that. I have never had an expensive drone only flew the 50$ or less drones I have gotten my young children. Flying around the yard avoiding things trying to land in different spots is a heck of a lot of fun with no real purpose. I can only imagine the countless hours of fun I would have with first person view flying. So for me I like drones just for fun. Though I do not fly every single day, every once in a while I will go out for a fly. The drones with the ability to take pictures is a lot of fun. A drone getting away on you and almost crashing but adrenaline kicks in and you run after it and save it in the nick of time is a thrilling experience. This some of the best fun I’ve had playing with my kids toys.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by ghaff on Thursday September 05, 2019 @08:51AM (#20886111)
I've had a couple of <$50 drones which I've played with a bit. It was fine for the money--though very fiddly, at least the ones I've had. Hard to actually use the camera.

Fun enough for a few hours punctuated by recharging but not really something I see myself spending $500-$1000 on. I don't have kids. I can see them being fun toys. I spent many hours as a child playing with balsa wood gliders for example.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by 14 on Thursday September 05, 2019 @09:43AM (#20886566)
I feel much the same way. The one I have came with 2 batteries and with a couple more I think you could continually swap out and it only takes second with no tools required. The charge time was under half hour. But like you say I don’t know if I could push myself to pay 1000$ for a drone. I mean with one like that you can do a lot more and the range is a lot farther but at that price I would be terrified to lose it if it ever left my sight. The 50$ drone I push for my own adrenaline’s sake, over the water, through the trees, over the death spot if it dies. But if 1000$ falls into the water I will be swimming and I don’t like getting wet!
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by newnewpdro on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:36PM (#20882819)
I imagine if you get an FPV headset it's quite a fun activity.

If people can spend thousands of hours playing flight simulators on the computer, surely there's a lot of replay value of doing the same thing with an RC quadcopter through a forest or around your home/neighborhood w/FPV.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by StavrosK on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @10:17PM (#20883309)
Anecdotal, but the FPV drone pilots I've seen are much more responsible and aware than photography drone pilots (I'm a part of both communities).

Photography drone pilots will do all kinds of stupid shit that horrifies me, like fly near people, near obstacles, under trees, in crowded places, etc etc.

I blame it on the fact that a Mavic is super easy to get and requires no knowledge, whereas it took me two hours of reading just to figure out how to start my racing drone.

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by dlhavema on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:49PM (#20882873)
This. This is the main thing I want to do.

I havent bought one yet, but have flown a cool DJI/FPV setup around a local mountain. It was really fun

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by newnewpdro on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @09:42PM (#20883147)
Yeah, it's on my list. Though I'm more interested in getting a powered electric glider w/FPV instead. It won't annoy the neighbors as much.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by StavrosK on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @10:13PM (#20883289)
I made my own flying wing for about $300 all in (the controller and goggles are usable with any other open-hardware drone, though). It's really fun, I recommend it, and it's not as loud since it only has one motor.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by justinclift on Thursday September 05, 2019 @12:38AM (#20883868)
Did you document the build or put info about it online? :)
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by StavrosK on Thursday September 05, 2019 @06:11AM (#20885308)
No, it is a fairly stock one. However, tell you what, if you want you can follow me on https://www.instagram.com/stavrosware/ and I'll document it there (I'm rebuilding it).
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by martin_a on Thursday September 05, 2019 @04:22AM (#20884864)
Wow, that is impressive. I thought I would have to spend around double or triple the amount to get started with this. Would be really interested if you could share some details on this.
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by StavrosK on Thursday September 05, 2019 @06:18AM (#20885327)
Certainly. I am also rebuilding the wing and another commenter asked for info, so I can post photos and details on https://www.instagram.com/stavrosware/ if you want.

I bought a Taranis QX7 remote controller (~$100), which is amazing and I love it and you can use it with any other RC vehicle you want. I even hook up the receiver to my hardware projects so I can control them remotely.

You also need an FrSky XSR or R-XSR receiver (~$10), a Beitian BN-220 GPS (~$10), a motor and ESC (be careful, get a plane ESC, not a quad ESC, the plane one is larger and has better heat dissipation, ~$30). You need two small servos for the elevons, those cost about a dollar each. You also need a good soldering iron (the TS100 is $35 and is amazing.

For the controller, the Kakute F7 is fantastic and costs $45ish. It can fly in modes ranging from manual to completely autonomous (you get a Google Maps interface and mark where you want it to go and it just flies to those points). This may be a bit overkill, as it's the best board around, you can get a cheaper one (or maybe one that is made specifically for planes) no problem, but it's only $10 cheaper.

The FPV goggles can cost around $30 for some cheap ones, adjust those to taste.

I think that's it for components, although I should probably do a proper writeup if people are interested. There's much info out there already, but it might not be concentrated in one place. Let me know if you have any more questions!

Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by martin_a on Thursday September 05, 2019 @09:59AM (#20886693)
I think the biggest point might be the Wing itself. Did you built that on your own or did you use a pre-made model?
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by StavrosK on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:06AM (#20886765)
Oh oops, I forgot about the body. I bought an AR.wing, I think it was $80. I was wondering why the total only came up to about $200...
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by martin_a on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:49AM (#20894315)
Looked into the AR.wing yesterday and that seems to be a great model. I will totally look into this, thanks for all your information!
Re:Drone Bubble Bursts, Wiping Out Startups and Hammering VC... by LeftHandPath on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @10:57PM (#20883488)
I usually get into stuff like this for professional reasons. However, as someone in the aerospace industry, it’s not very common that we go through the hoops to get a drone out at the airport. We’ve talked about using one strictly inside of our hangars, but at that point a gyro does just as well.

I’ll stick to writing code.