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Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by bhhaskin on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:18PM (#20879952)
For anyone who is asking why sites are pushing auto playing videos, this is why. Google is actively pushing video to "increase engagement". All of those "news" sites have a Google Ads rep that tells them increase engagement equals more ad revenue, so they maximize it to the hilt. It becomes the overriding force UX be damned.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by sp332 on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:36PM (#20880110)
This was fraud perpetrated by Facebook. https://twitter.com/ConroyForReal/status/1052403439613829120 Not saying Google didn't do it too, but I know for sure Facebook was lying.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by bhhaskin on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:42PM (#20880158)
Oh no doubt.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by magashna on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:47PM (#20880199)
Nothing repels my engagement more than a video on a news site, following my scrolling while I'm reading.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by Ajedi32 on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:11PM (#20880428)
Aren't auto playing videos blocked by default in Chrome now? https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/09/autoplay-p...
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by degenerate on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:53PM (#20880785)
No. The Autoplay chrome flag was added but then removed/scrapped sometime in early 2019. You can only stop autoplay videos by using extensions now. The only extension that is actively maintained (and actually works) is called "AutoplayStopper" https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/autoplaystopper/ej...
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by jmedley on Thursday September 05, 2019 @01:08PM (#20888731)
That's not actually what's going on. You can find an explanation here: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2018/11/web-audio-...
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by Ajedi32 on Thursday September 05, 2019 @09:08AM (#20886266)
There's no flag; it's on by default. Do you have a link to an article talking about the autoplay policy being reverted?
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by degenerate on Thursday September 05, 2019 @11:32AM (#20887717)
No, I am speaking by my own use of Chrome only. Go to YouTube or any large news site, and the videos still autoplay, regardless of whatever chrome settings/flags are now supposedly default.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by vanadium on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:48PM (#20881759)
No, but I can confirm that in FF69 it's finally blocking those banal CNN videos that seem to accompany every. single. article.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by flanbiscuit on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @07:30PM (#20882422)
They've switched to checking an "mei" score to see if a video is allowed to autoplay on a site:

https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/09/autoplay-p...

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by katsura on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:58PM (#20880823)
It is blocked only if the video has sound. Muted videos can be played automatically.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by Jaruzel on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:25PM (#20880011)
Whether I agree with a video-heavy web or not (I don't), I have to commend this for explaining the <video> tag in very clear steps.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by cameronbrown on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:18PM (#20880498)
Video has it's place for-sure, but I can't stand seeing it on news websites. So much data must be wasted on sending this junk down the pipe nobody looks at.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by CydeWeys on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:32PM (#20881122)
Videos are great when I'm actively seeking them out, which is a decent percentage of my overall Web usage.

It's when I'm not actively seeking them out that they annoy me.

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by 693471 on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:25PM (#20881592)
The h264 and h265 files are named incorrectly in their example causing confusion.

  <source src="myh264Video.mp4" type='video/mp4; codecs="hvc1"'>
  <source src="myh265Video.mp4" type='video/mp4; codecs="avc1"'>
myh264Video.mp4 should be avc1 codec...
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by abrie on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:17PM (#20882721)
Video is highly engaging, and moving images are very useful. I wanted to include videos in an electronic book, but it turned out that auto-playing videos are too interesting and they ruin the flow. Instead, I ended up playing the videos frame by frame according to scroll position. The effect is pretty neat: https://goeiebook.ca/story/bussing/
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by echelon on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:33PM (#20881129)
We need a new type of browser that only understands minimal HTML and doesn't allow script execution. Something entirely document-centric. There has to be a way to put the genie back in the bottle.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by toomim on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:35PM (#20881144)
How is this anti-javascript sentiment relevant to an article about the `<video>` tag?
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by ihuman on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:40PM (#20881198)
You don't a need type of browser for this. Just use NoScript.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by tenebrisalietum on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:07PM (#20881422)
PDFs mostly fulfill this.

I'm aware they can have scripts and such, but people expect PDFs to be static documents and not applications.

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by atombender on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:19PM (#20881542)
They really don't, since they don't reflow. Viewing a PDF paper on a phone, for example, is a nightmare because you have to zoom in and out and pan around to even be able to read the text.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by krapp on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:39PM (#20881189)
>There has to be a way to put the genie back in the bottle.

Only an extreme minority of people, even within the tech community, wish the web were limited only to static, minimally formatted hypertext. Not even the people who created HTML and the glorious "old web" had such a limited vision of it in mind.

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by lucasmullens on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:51PM (#20882161)
You mean an old type of browser? That's like, where we started.
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by jakeogh on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:03PM (#20882628)
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by jazzyjackson on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:35PM (#20881666)
Gopher
Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by bigwheeler on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @07:04PM (#20882257)
"Research shows that websites with video lead to higher engagement and sales."

That "Research shows" link is pretty thin on actual research. Anybody have any links to something more substantial than a questionable A/B test run by a single company?

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by ModsCtrlideas on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:53PM (#20880784)
A single website cannot compete with giants.

A friendly nerd cannot put the time into multimedia and SEO.

Commerce giants win. And those companies have fake social media users astroturfing.

Maybe blogs should be more accepted.

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by echelon on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:36PM (#20881159)
I don't know why you've been flagged and downvoted. Though your argument could use some more effort and articulation, this sentiment is certainly growing amongst engineers and a certain subset of the internet population. You're not alone in feeling this.

The old internet didn't have real money and power behind it (outside of research and pure business technologists), but now that the Internet is where the eyes of the world are, all of that influence has crept in and is seemingly here to stay.

It's hard to fight back against entities that are thousands of times more equipped than you.

Re:Going beyond images with basic video for the web by krapp on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:00PM (#20881366)
>Maybe blogs should be more accepted.

There was such a time, but that was when blogs primarily were forms of personal expression, rather than professional pseudo-magazines integrated into social media silos competing for clicks. People would just put up a site and post about the minutiae of their day. Most of it was stupid and pointless, but they might sometimes provide an interesting window into someone else's life. And that was fine because blogs weren't competing against anyone.

Now we get a lot more content through social media, but so much less context. Even Medium is almost entirely people trying to get viral and raise their visibility to potential employers.

You're right - you can't win that game. The only way to win is not to play.