Re:No-deal Brexit opponents defeat government
by gambiting on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:50AM
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>>Either you (literally) didn't mean "literally", or you're being wilfully ignorant.
I do literally mean literally. Maybe I am wilfully ignorant then.
>> There's a significant minority who are more than happy with the idea of a no-deal Brexit and who voted for it with the understanding that may be the outcome.
See, I just don't believe that part. I don't believe that 3 years ago in 2016 there was any significant(or even greater than >1000) number of people who understood that if nothing is negotiated with the EU the UK will leave on WTO terms, who fully understood what that meant for the British trade position and who were still happy to proceed. Sure there is a lot of people who say that nowadays, but I just don't believe there was enough information about this 3 years ago for anyone but the most politically and economically engaged people to make such a choice and realistically be happy with a no-deal.
>>As far as the last part of the final sentence goes, one could also make a similar argument that the remain side should have shown some responsibility with regards to not utterly destroying the negotiating position in order to purposefully sabotage Brexit such that it becomes unsalvageable.
That just sounds like saying that half of the British society should have just shut up and said nothing for the 3 years while the government was negotiating. That's impossible in a democracy - not only people should be able to voice their opinions and displeasure with what is happening, they should also be able to change their minds about decisions already taken.
I do literally mean literally. Maybe I am wilfully ignorant then.
>> There's a significant minority who are more than happy with the idea of a no-deal Brexit and who voted for it with the understanding that may be the outcome.
See, I just don't believe that part. I don't believe that 3 years ago in 2016 there was any significant(or even greater than >1000) number of people who understood that if nothing is negotiated with the EU the UK will leave on WTO terms, who fully understood what that meant for the British trade position and who were still happy to proceed. Sure there is a lot of people who say that nowadays, but I just don't believe there was enough information about this 3 years ago for anyone but the most politically and economically engaged people to make such a choice and realistically be happy with a no-deal.
>>As far as the last part of the final sentence goes, one could also make a similar argument that the remain side should have shown some responsibility with regards to not utterly destroying the negotiating position in order to purposefully sabotage Brexit such that it becomes unsalvageable.
That just sounds like saying that half of the British society should have just shut up and said nothing for the 3 years while the government was negotiating. That's impossible in a democracy - not only people should be able to voice their opinions and displeasure with what is happening, they should also be able to change their minds about decisions already taken.