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Re:USB4 Specification by shawnz on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:20PM (#20871291)
USB is packetized. But without those seperate modes of operation, every single adapter would need a microcontroller in it.
Re:USB4 Specification by nightfly on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:28PM (#20871375)
Is that really a problem?
Re:USB4 Specification by shawnz on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:34PM (#20871429)
Imagine a world where the reliability of your devices significantly depends on how much you paid for your USB 3->4 adapter. Is that a better situation than what we have today?
Re:USB4 Specification by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @06:55PM (#20872125)
It already does in terms of USB cables. Buy a wrong cable, and your device won't charge, or won't charge fast enough, or won't communicate. And you can't tell the good/correct cable from the bad ones visually.

The standard can have any number of optional modes to be implemented by devices. I don't care. What I want is for it to have one cable type. Because it's kind of a point of an universal port that people will use cables from one device with another.

Re:USB4 Specification by caf on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @08:36PM (#20872845)
It's unreasonable to expect one cable type, because the additional costs for cables that support very high data rates or very high power delivery are prohibitive for cheap devices that don't need those.

What they do need to do, though, is minimise the different cable options and make them easy to distinguish. My suggestion would have been to have a basic USB-C cable with exactly two optional designations: +FAST and +POWER. It's then easy enough for a device to say "this requires a USB-C+FAST cable" and consumers to then look for the same.

Re:USB4 Specification by minipci1321 on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:47AM (#20875225)
> What I want is for it to have one cable type

Cables have conflicting requirements:

-- high current requires thick wires and heat dissipation (if long cable). Possibly other safety-related requirements

-- high frequency wants more wire surface because of skin effect

-- flexibility and cost don't like either of the above.

I personally prefer to have a choice of a thin flexible cable when situation allows, and am ready to pay for it.

Re:USB4 Specification by andrekandre on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:24PM (#20871337)
i see, makes more sense then... thanks!