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Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by PascLeRasc on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:36PM (#20868969)
I can't really blame him though, if you assume Amazon is the standard marketplace for everything all you'll find is Cherry blue and red switches, and Razer/Logitech's versions of those. It wasn't until I attended a mechanical keyboard conference that I found out about Zealios, by far my favorite switch but near-impossible to find in pre-built boards. Even Clears, which are really great and my favorite Cherry switch, are somewhat hard to find if you don't know specific keyboard sites.
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by mixmastamyk on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:09PM (#20869354)
I have the wasd keyboard with red switches and thin o-rings and it is quiet, quieter than my mouse buttons.
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by Root_Denied on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:45PM (#20869772)
Also using a WASD keyboard (Code) with brown switches and o-rings. It's clicky, but not terribly so. Next one will be clear switches with o-rings which I've tested and are even quieter.
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by nobleach on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:53PM (#20870480)
I have the WASD Code with Cherry MX Clears. And while it is a bit quieter, I find it not as satisfying. The keys feel pretty springy, and there's not much feedback. So that satisfying "click" of Greens, Browns and Blues, really is more my cup of tea. I did enjoy it originally though... so your mileage will vary.
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by Havoc on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:57PM (#20870533)
So if I had to buy something off amazon, what would I be searching for? (Gamer & programmer, preference quiet keys)
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by PascLeRasc on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:19PM (#20870742)
If you want to buy one right this second, get the Vortex Race 3 with Clears. They sound and feel fantastic, and the aluminum case with the DSA PBT keycaps makes for a great build quality overall.

If you want to spend some time deciding, we should go over what kind of keyswitch and what kind of layout you want. This [1] is a pretty good overview of the different kinds of layouts (60%, tenkeyless, fullsize) and linear vs tactile switches. You can listen to sound tests for any switch on youtube to get a better idea for how quiet it'll be. I personally use a Poker 2 with brown switches for 90% programming/10% CS:GO, and I love it.

[1] https://kotaku.com/how-to-pick-the-right-mechanical-keyboard...

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by Havoc on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @06:01PM (#20871674)
Well that's 2x vortex recommends. Bit more than I'd usually spend on a keyboard though...

Size aside do the tenkeyless have any other advantage?

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by PascLeRasc on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @06:31PM (#20871926)
For me, tenkeyless allows me to keep my mouse much closer to my keyboard which is significantly more comfortable. It's somewhat common to have long-term shoulder injury from using a fullsize keyboard and mouse intensively, like for gaming: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/a5ques/has_anyone_...
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by ryanmcbride on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:16PM (#20870721)
I recently bought a Vortex Pok3r off amazon, with the MX Silver switches. Relatively quiet 60% keyboard that I'd definitely recommend. I've used a Pok3r with MX Blue switches for years but wanted to get something quieter for work.
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by toxican on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:41PM (#20870940)
Okay so two things cause the sound of the mechanical keyboard. The switch itself, and the bottom of the key hitting the are beneath the keys (called bottoming out, I believe). You can buy rubber rings that quiet out the bottoming out issue, but as for the switch sounds, red or black cherrymx switches are quietest.

If you want to cheaply try out mechanical keyboarding, I'd recommend the brand Redragon on Amazon. They've got a few options and they're in the $25-$50 range. I've had my K552 for almost two years now and I don't have any complaints. I program and game on it daily.

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by dasKrokodil on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:38AM (#20875781)
Kinesis Edge
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by nickjj on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @07:54PM (#20872604)
Exactly.

And now 6+ hours and hundreds of comments later I went through the comments and I still haven't seen anyone post a single mechanical keyboard that matches my requirements at any price point. It's just dozens of posts about needing to be a keyboard surgeon and assembling a selection of carefully picked pieces without any end to end guides.

For the most part I just want to plug it in, have it feel good and write code.

Your $150 recommendation from below almost fits the bill but it looks like a super condensed keyboard with a non-standard layout that's missing a bunch of extra keys, and I can't find any concrete proof of what it sounds like on video. It also has a lower average star review than the Amazon Basics keyboard (but I wouldn't put much weight into that).

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by jacobolus on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:18AM (#20874748)
It’s not my personal cup of tea, but one keyboard that should meet your requirements (and is a whole lot nicer to type on than the Amazon keyboard, assuming you are willing to pay a lot more) is the Topre Realforce,

http://www.realforce.co.jp/en/products/R2SA-US4-IV/index.htm...

https://amzn.com/B07K9CH5WS

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by nickjj on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @07:42AM (#20876144)
At a glance all I see is that it's missing a bunch of media keys and is $350 instead of $15.

But ignoring price, what improvements will I see vs my existing keyboard? At a non-competitive level, the human level is likely dictating how many WPM I can type. At 80 WPM, upgrading to this keyboard won't turn me into a 120 WPM typist. Maybe I'll gain a few WPM but that's not the bottleneck for delivering code on time.

Also how is your recommended keyboard different than a run of a mill $50 mechanical keyboard that I've tried in the past?

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by PascLeRasc on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @10:15AM (#20877395)
I used to live with a roommate who listened to music at 2x speed. He said it was more efficient since he could hear more music in the same amount of time. A lot of these comments remind me of that mentality - mechanical keyboards are basically just a toy for typists or a piece of nice industrial design. It's something to enjoy, there's not much more to read into it.
Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by jacobolus on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:09PM (#20881902)
You seem very determined to be disappointed by this whole discussion. If you completely close yourself to new possibilities, nobody can force you to consider them.

You said:

> 6+ hours and hundreds of comments later I went through the comments and I still haven't seen anyone post a single mechanical keyboard that matches my requirements at any price point.

I was just offering one keyboard which does as far as I can tell satisfy all of your requirements. (The previous $250 version of this keyboard is about the same as this $350 one; the differences aren’t IMO worth the difference in price. You could probably find a used one for $150, if not less.)

Here are some of the features that make the Topre board nicer than your Amazon board:

- The actuation point is about halfway through the stroke instead of at the very bottom, meaning you don’t need to mash the key all the way down to get it to reliably actuate. Once you get used to this you can type with much lighter and springier finger movements, and (a) dramatically reduce the amount of shock on your finger joints, reducing both fatigue and long-term damage, while (b) improving your typing speed.

- Having taller keycaps on the further-away rows of keys compared to the home row makes them easier to reach by extending the distal joints of the fingers instead of moving the hand. It is in my opinion inexcusable for keyboards not intended for laptops to be flat across the top. Additionally, the keycaps have a curved top shape which helps the fingers find them.

- The switches have what many people find to be a more pleasant tactile response (this is subjective, and I prefer other keyboards, but those do not satisfy your other criteria). I would expect the 45g Topre keys to need less force than the Amazon board, but I haven’t ever seen measurements of that one. (Some people prefer heavier switches; Topre also makes a 55g version. Some people prefer very light switches; Topre also makes a 30g version.)

- In particular they have a nice bit of bounce on the upstroke which will help your finger to release the key just by relaxing the flexors instead of needing to fire your finger extensors. This will (a) reduce fatigue, and (b) improve speed and accuracy.

- The Topre keyboard is likely more uniform from key to key. Most <$20 rubber dome boards have poor quality control. (I have not tried the Amazon one.) It should also retain its key feel better over time.

- I would expect the Topre “silent” board to be quieter than the Amazon board, but I haven’t spent much time with either one, so you’d have to test that yourself. Personally I like much louder keyboards.

- The Topre keyboard is much more robust; the switches use capacitive sensing to tell when the spring has been depressed, instead of relying on an electrical contact, so they should not wear out even after tens of millions of keypresses.

- The Topre keyboard has larger rubber pads on the bottom, probably made from a nicer material. It should slip less than the Amazon board (being heavier also helps with this). It also has nice sturdy feet if you want to adjust the tilt.

- The switches are very stable and smooth, with tighter tolerances. The keyboard is much more rigid and solid feeling. Overall it feels like a well engineered product instead of a flimsy toy. Many people find joy in using well made long lasting tools, but YMMV.

- The keycaps are made of a sturdier type of plastic, and use dye sublimation printing. The letters will never wear off, and even the surface texture should remain through decades of serious typing.

- The electrical components inside the keyboard are more expensive and less likely to fail. You’d have to test latency, etc. for yourself, I haven’t extensively evaluated either of these keyboards.

- The keyboard supports full n-key rollover (this is unlikely to matter for routine typing).

> how is your recommended keyboard different than a run of a mill $50 mechanical keyboard

The switches feel substantially different. The keycaps are made from a different type of plastic. The case is sturdier. The switching mechanism is more reliable.

But keyboard preferences are subjective. Personally I like many $50 keyboards better than this $350 one. I was just looking to satisfy your criteria.

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by nickjj on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:45PM (#20882129)
Thanks for the detailed response.

When it comes to the life span of the keyboard, how easy are they to clean?

With this Amazon one, I seriously spend about 30 seconds every 2 weeks wiping it down with a small towel and it's as good as new in terms of cleanliness.

I'm not a neat freak but I do know that build up of whatever can definitely play a role in how the keyboard feels over time and full size keys tend to collect a lot more debris over time.

Also if you don't mind, what would be 2-3 recommendations in the $50 range where quietness and overall "this feels great to type on" are the biggest goals?

Re:Why the Amazon Basics Keyboard Is My Favorite Keyboard by jacobolus on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @07:54PM (#20882578)
Keyboards can be cleaned out by wiping them, spraying them out with compressed air, or if they are really filthy, pulling off all the keycaps and soaking them in soapy water (some people put their keycaps through a dishwasher; the obsessive use an ultrasonic cleaner), and thoroughly wiping the space underneath. In extreme cases the case can be opened up and the plastic parts can be washed separately.

If a keyboard sits on a very dusty garage shelf for 20 years with no cover, sometimes dust works its way inside the switches; cleaning that out is a lot more complicated, requiring desoldering and disassembling all of the switches. Don’t do this to your keyboard, and watch out for the condition of decades-old used keyboards.

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Personally I like very loud clicky keyboards, like the IBM model F or anything with clicky Alps SKCM or SKCP switches (from the 1980s–early 90s).

If you can find one in good condition and don’t mind an adapter, I quite like the Apple Extended Keyboard II from ~1990 which is reasonably quiet (likely louder than the Amazon board; if you want to further reduce the sound you could open up the case and fill the empty spaces inside with some kind of padding – I know people who have successfully damped sound with sheets of drawer liner or felt).

Tactile Cherry MX switches (or any of the many MX clones) with added o-rings or other padding are reasonably quiet. I’m not really the person to ask though. Again, filling empty spaces inside the case can do a lot to damp the sound.