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Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by dgellow on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:02AM (#20858841)
It's a way to steal from the local community given that public transports are financed mostly by tax money and by tickets (a tax based on your usage of the infrastructure). They present it as if it was a political action. That's rather ironic IMHO.

Free public transports just mean that you pay it through another way, and most likely mean that you remove the "use tax", thus increasing the contribution from people who don't actually use public transports.

Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by Mordisquitos on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:59AM (#20859137)
>Free public transports just mean that you pay it through another way, and most likely mean that you remove the "use tax", thus increasing the contribution from people who don't actually use public transports.

Absolutely, and that is in fact their political stance. They believe that there should be no use tax on public transport and that people who don't use it should still be responsible for financing it. Their reasoning is probably based on the assertion that public transport causes positive externalities even for non-users, and that the resulting benefit to society as a whole outweighs the purported unfairness against individuals. You may or may not agree, it may or may not be a good policy, but it is a legitimate political stance.

A separate issue is whether guerrilla tactics/direct actions such as these can be justified to attain a political goal in a liberal democracy, and yet another debate is whether these methods are even tactically useful in getting closer to their stated goal.

Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by dgellow on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:23AM (#20859258)
To be honest, I haven't checked the content of the onion link so I don't know what their position is (or if they even communicate it), I will assume that you're describing their it accurately.

> they believe that there should be no use tax on public transport and that people who don't use it should still be responsible for financing it

I don't know for Manchester specifically but any public transport I'm familiar with is payed in huge part with tax money, so people who don't use public transports are already paying for it. But not the 100%, instead it's balanced with the use tax. So, is that the contention point, that it should be paid only by tax money? I don't understand what benefits that would bring. With this system, people using public transports the most (thus get the most value) would pay the less (if averaged per trip), how do you balance such a system?

Concerning their action, what's the idea behind sharing their exploit other than simplifying the work of free-rider? That it is too expensive to design a use-tax system that works, thus make the 100% government funded solution more attractive?

Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by nailer on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:55AM (#20859117)
In one of the Nordic countries (at work so can't do research) they made PT free because ticketing maintenance costs were more expensive than ticket revenue.

In other words, free PT could save taxpayers money.

Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by Cederfjard on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:35AM (#20859315)
I think you're thinking of Luxemburg, rather than a Nordic country. Apparently some politicians are considering it in Denmark as well though.
Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by Aeolun on Monday September 02, 2019 @08:56PM (#20862878)
If that is your standpoint any form of activism like this is stealing from the community.

On the whole, this is probably one of the least harmful things they could have released publicly.

Re:Activists release code to generate free public transporta... by dgellow on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:28PM (#20863273)
> any form of activism like this is stealing from the community

Depends the actions you’re thinking about, but I would guess that’s likely to be the case, yes.

> On the whole, this is probably one of the least harmful things they could have released publicly.

Could you elaborate?