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Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by whalesalad on Sunday September 01, 2019 @10:13PM (#20856299)
The noise that my brand spanking new high efficiency Samsung fridge makes is completely unbearable. It’s not the fan, but the compressor itself. I’ve tried coating the entire compressor compartment with dense material, like you would find in a nice car audio installation, to no avail. The fridge is in an alcove on top of a dense rubber mat, designed to absorb sound. There are foam acoustic pads on the wall behind the fridge. Doesn’t matter what I do, the damn thing is obnoxious.

Worst part is... it’s well within “spec”. I had lots of ear problems as a kid culminating w/ surgery and ironically my hearing is hyper sensitive, as opposed to being worse off. My wife thinks I’m nuts to be so annoyed by the sound (she hears it, though) and technicians who come out say the same.

Fuck I hate this fridge.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by drewg123 on Monday September 02, 2019 @08:50AM (#20858779)
Saying something is "within spec" is something that Samsung seems to do to avoid dealing with defective products.

I bought a $3,000 65" 4K HDR TV 4 years ago. When it was delivered, it had 4 "bright" corners that I later found out were likely caused by the panel being pinched by improper shipping or shipping materials. I told Samsung that this defect was unacceptable and they needed to replace or repair the TV under warranty. They told me that it was "within spec". For their top-end $3000 tv. Yeah, right.

Luckily, I purchased the TV from a local retailer, who exchanged it for me (with one we opened and tested at the store). Sadly, that retailer has since been driven out of business by Amazon.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by faaarmer on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:10PM (#20862935)
Yep, Samsung (at least their TVs) have terrible quality control and they blame everything as within spec.

Similar issue to you, went through 4 TVs then got a refund. A friend had the same TV and those bright corners developed after a couple of years. Luckily Australia has great consumer laws and he got a refund and got a Sony TV.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by colechristensen on Sunday September 01, 2019 @10:26PM (#20856346)
The key to deadening sound is density changes

Alternating heavy, light, dense, sparse materials cause reflections backwards which helps the sound get converted into heat.

Unfortunately small gaps lead to large amounts of sound getting out.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by MertsA on Monday September 02, 2019 @12:19AM (#20856745)
A good way of thinking about the problem is that you're essentially trying to create an "impedance mismatch" to prevent transmitting pressure waves in much the same way that an impedance mismatch works electronically and limits transmission power.
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by Scipio_Afri on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:38AM (#20859335)
Haha a good way to think about it, it is true its a good way, but really only here on HN.
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by kragen on Monday September 02, 2019 @01:01PM (#20860372)
You'll be excited to learn that acoustic impedance is a well-known concept to anyone who researches acoustics!
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by epistasis on Sunday September 01, 2019 @10:37PM (#20856386)
I recently moved into a new place with a Samsung fridge that had an unbearably loud compressor. I had a repairman over to see if anything could be done to salvage it, but he said it would take replacing the entire compressor. Replacing the compressor is the same cost as an entirely new refrigerator.

But if I have the same risk of a super loud compressor on a replacement, I definitely don't want the repair. Ideally I'd be able to find a place that needs a fridge but is noise tolerant. That I can donate an otherwise working product to, so it just doesn't go to waste.

But until then, I can't in good conscience just toss this thing, so my family has gotten used to it, and it's only guests that suffer.

Never going to buy Samsung again, I guess.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by whalesalad on Sunday September 01, 2019 @11:49PM (#20856646)
The thing that sucks is I can hear what is making the noise in the compressor, and as far as I know it’s something loose, not normal operating sounds. The compressor housing is a welded ball of metal, there is no way to open or maintain it. I was so frustrated when I realized the sound was the compressor. I was praying the compressor wasn’t mounted properly, or was mounted without isolation pads, etc... but nope I got down there and put my ear on it (damn near burned myself) and waddaya know it’s coming from inside the welded ball.
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by zrobotics on Monday September 02, 2019 @01:52PM (#20860719)
For future reference, there are automotive stethoscopes avaliable with probes designed to reach into deep/inacessable places. Very handy tool to have, check your local auto parts store for mechanic's stethoscope.
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by cr0sh on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:32PM (#20870863)
AutoZone probably rents them, if you don't have the need to own one (I found one at a goodwill once for a dollar, so I bought it - never know).
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by userbinator on Sunday September 01, 2019 @11:02PM (#20856485)
Ironically, replacing the compressor with an older quieter model could likely be done, but would probably be illegal under some EPA law...

The newer ultra-high-speed compressors are supposed to be more efficient, but looking up some historical data on refrigerator energy consumption, I'm not so sure if that's true in general.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by esnible3 on Sunday September 01, 2019 @10:26PM (#20856344)
Is it possible to even find out the rated noise level before purchase? I feel like every 'fridge and air conditioner should print this up front with the capacity and voltage. Noise level is the main thing I look for in an appliance with a compressor.
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by whalesalad on Monday September 02, 2019 @11:49AM (#20859817)
The noise level is less of a concern for me (the volume at least) it’s more about the frequency or sound itself. You ever hear those sounds that just bother your ear, and they sometimes are hard to locate? It’s like they become omnidirectional. Maybe this is at the edge of the human ear’s spectrum or something... kinda how a UV light bothers your eyes and can be disorienting at times.

For instance I have a Dell 2U server in my home office. It’s pretty quiet all things considered, but I wanted to lower the fan speeds manually (possible with ipmi tool) to make it quieter at the expense of maybe a warmer system. You’d think the lowest possible RPM would be best... but actually increasing it slightly from the baseline was the most pleasing sound, despite it being a tiny bit louder volume wise than the lowest RPM setting. At the absolute lowest speed the fans created this cacophony as they went in and out of sync, making a vibration sound. A little bit higher, that individual sound dissipated and I was left with soft white noise that was more enjoyable.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by epistasis on Sunday September 01, 2019 @10:41PM (#20856401)
For heat pumps the noise rating is often published, and I would hope air conditioners are similar.

Purchase of consumer products is so difficult, especially with the huge variety of model numbers. Though I'm fairly unsatisfied with the latest iteration of Apple laptops, I do appreciated the very limited number of models, which at least allows fuller evaluation.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by pas on Monday September 02, 2019 @04:57AM (#20857727)
Umm, price aggregator sites around here show noise level in dB for a bunch of things (AC, fridges, washing machines, etc.). And I haven't been to appliance stores in the last ~10 years, but the detail sheet probably has the same information as the online version.
Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by newnewpdro on Sunday September 01, 2019 @10:23PM (#20856332)
Have you considered coupling a chunk of dense material to the compressor?

Something like a block of scrap iron hanging off the side of the compressor housing affixed with a tightly fitted robust hose clamp.

I've seen numerous differential housings on automobiles over the years with such sinks hanging off their mounts to eliminate some harmonics or other harshness that would otherwise enter the cabin.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by akvadrako on Monday September 02, 2019 @06:44AM (#20858168)
I've gone through a lot of fridges in the past few years with only one concern: noise. Cost and efficiency don't matter.

Most of the ones I tried suck - they might not be loud, but they were very irritating and frequently running. At least old fridges ran less often and had a more plesant engine-like noise.

The exception is ammonia absorption which doesn't require a compressor or fan. They are mostly used in RVs and hotel rooms, but can be used at home too.

Re:Fridge Condenser Fans – Old and New [video] by baybal2 on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:04AM (#20859166)
This is a thing with all compressors. Naturally a fully solid state one is a dream for engineers working in many industries.

There were few experimental solid state ones that worked on exotic work fluids like hydrogen or ammonia, but nothing consumer grade is on the horizon.

Midea with Haier are two big funders of the research.