Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @02:43AM
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Well metal is critical because it's really really hard to chop wood without metal. So you've got stones, bones, and loose timber to work with. About the closest evidence I can find is Mezhirich, a small paleolithic village built out of mammoth bones: https://www.thoughtco.com/mezhirich-mammoth-bone-settlement-... about 18000 years ago.
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Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by jdmoreira on Saturday August 31, 2019 @03:07AM
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The mesoamerican civilizations used no iron
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @01:45PM
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Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by flexie on Saturday August 31, 2019 @03:32AM
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They did chop trees with stone tools. Here you can see how:
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @04:36AM
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Yes well I'm talking about chopping trees down and building homes out of them (and enough homes for a civilization). No doubt smaller sticks and loose timber could be used, that's how man mastered fire in the first place. But chopping whole trees probably didn't happen much until after metal.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by mkl on Saturday August 31, 2019 @06:59AM
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You can build enough homes for a civilisation without felling any big trees at all. Stone, clay bricks, earth, small trees and branches, straw, etc. would be sufficient.
Even felling big trees doesn't need iron tools - controlled fire will do most of the work: http://www.cherokeeheritage.org/attractions/dugout-canoe/
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @01:51PM
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That looks extremely laborious but it's a fascinating technique. It still limits the amount of lumber one group can use. I agree on clay (in some regions) and stone being available and useable. It still says nothing about supporting a civilization, which requires agriculture.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by mkl on Saturday August 31, 2019 @06:52PM
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You're moving goalposts, but early civilisations supported themselves with agriculture before developing metal-working: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/development-of-ag... https://www.ancient.eu/Stone_Age/
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by reallydude on Saturday August 31, 2019 @08:29PM
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> Yes well I'm talking about chopping trees down and building homes out of them
https://youtu.be/zVPUFMwm73Y?t=228
Relevant: Coppice
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by dredmorbius on Saturday August 31, 2019 @11:00AM
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Large-scale wood-based construction in paleolithic cultures did exist, notably in the Alps:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_pile_dwellings_aro...
Not fine woodworking, perhaps, but possible.
Most early construction was based on found shelter (caves), hides, sod or turf, brick, or stone. Locally-available and hand-workable with very simple tools.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @01:41PM
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5000-500 B.C. is not the paleolithic era. That's well into the Neolithic and Bronze age.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought
by dredmorbius on Saturday August 31, 2019 @03:51PM
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Point. "Neolithic/early bronze" is stated in the article. Point being that working wood with stone tools happened.
Ale native American lodgehouses and pueblos (adobe walls, timber roofs), also stone tools.