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Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by munificent on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:31PM (#20812315)
Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by 4ntonius8lock on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:33PM (#20812338)
I love it when purely ideological comments run into the messiness of reality. Food production being completely contrary to a free market, they are one of the most heavily subsidized and regulated markets around.

As a pragmatist, one of my favorite phrases I say quite often: "The difference between theory and reality is that in theory there is no difference."

The article is excellent expose of an issue and a solution. I hope they would include specific things we can do to help improve the situation. I'm part of California YIMBY, which promotes legislation that helps ease these issues.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by dragontamer on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @02:11PM (#20812747)
> As a pragmatist, one of my favorite phrases I say quite often: "The difference between theory and reality is that in theory there is no difference."

Hmm, I prefer the phrasing:

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is a difference.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by 4ntonius8lock on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:33PM (#20815453)
Yours is far more straight forward. Which can be great.

Mine is intentionally convoluted. It works for two things: 1- Easy to spot people who really aren't paying attention to what you say. 2- It takes a second to understand the point, people remember better when they have to 'figure it out' so to speak. 3- I get a smile from some people if they pause, think it, then understand.

I might be wrong in my assumptions though.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by dragontamer on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:37PM (#20815480)
Well, it isn't "my" phrase. Its just the commonly attributed phrase.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/practice-and-theory/

This "practice and theory" quote was said by someone, but who exactly said it first was lost to time. Its not going to be possible to find the canonical quote (since the cannon-quote seems to be nonexistant). But its definitely a long-running idiom with some history.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by 4ntonius8lock on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:16PM (#20823037)
Hehe, you are right.

When I said 'mine'/'yours' I simply meant what we use.

I tend to presume that originality is near impossible with such pithy sentences. For quotes, I only quote things I actually read from the author.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by ignoramous on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:35PM (#20812364)
or as Linus says, "Theory and practice sometimes clash. And when that happens, theory loses. Every single time."
Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by Joking_Phantom on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:46PM (#20812477)
Maybe OP meant to be... ironical. If we're being that charitable.
Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by devcpp on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @02:19PM (#20812834)
None of this points to free market being at fault.
Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by jessaustin on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:51PM (#20812544)
Which of this easy sampling of wikipedia "banana" entries addresses the topic of excessive regulation?
Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by dougmany on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:23PM (#20813498)
>Typically, a banana republic has a society of extremely stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling-class plutocracy

One criticism of "Everything will balance itself out by itself thinking" is that it leads to exploited people. Regulations are one of the tools intended to prevent such things. Nothing is perfect. But the result is we end up arguing about "I pay too much for this" where we would have been arguing about "This guy died making this" if the regulation did not exist.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by jessaustin on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:01PM (#20814874)
Thread parent opines that in one particular nation, regulations have particular harmful effects. In no sense is it a meaningful reply to observe that in other nations, there are other problems. "Banana republics" have laws, too, but I doubt most of the populace appreciates them, since they are written by dictators.

You are perfectly correct, that some level of regulation saves lives. I doubt thread parent would disagree. A discussion of which regulations are beneficial and which go too far would be interesting. Unfortunately that discussion was short-circuited by a banal list of wiki entries that could have been generated by a bot.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by munificent on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:22PM (#20815396)
> "Banana republics" have laws, too, but I doubt most of the populace appreciates them, since they are written by dictators.

Dictators acting in the interests of the giant multinational corporations that support them. Did you look at the links I posted? I think you're imaginging some sort of firewall between "market" and "government" but no such separation exists. Buying politicians, funding armies, and bribing dictators are all simply economic activities with pros and cons that — in the absence of stern regulation prohibiting — corporations are happy to do.

Re:Let's build houses for people, not cars by jessaustin on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:09PM (#20815643)
When I click the third link, I only have to skim three paragraphs to discover that "United Fruit" hired not only Central American politicians, but also the famed Dulles brothers. You know, Ike's SecState and the guy who created the CIA. Those two characters overruled dozens of democratic elections, because personal greed. Do you really believe there have ever existed "stern regulations" that would have constrained their actions with respect to the fruit firms? Just as in other nations on whom some Americans enjoy looking down, in this nation too unrestrained corruption dominates regulation. "I think you're imaginging [sic] some sort of firewall..."

Which is not to say that all regulation is bad. No one in this thread has claimed that. Some people have pointed out specific problems with specific regulations related to housing and urban planning. I really wish you would respond to those specifics, rather than posting generalities that require extensive exegesis to even relate to the topic under discussion.