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Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by andrepd on Saturday August 24, 2019 @08:13PM (#20790537)
What does this mean? Never try to change anything because the world is fixed and fate is immutable? Sounds like a generic defeatist philosophy.
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by AdieuToLogic on Saturday August 24, 2019 @09:20PM (#20790752)
> What does this mean?

Essentially, it means "lead by example", "let others learn through acts and not words", "there are situations which no amount of skill can rectify", and "accept that some may not understand what you try to teach."

Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by xelxebar on Saturday August 24, 2019 @10:28PM (#20790983)
Let me take a different tack, and share a bit of a meta-sentiment.

Asking what something means is effectively asking for a translation. Unfortunately, that's almost always a lossy process, and in the worst case it invites an "understanding" that's largely different than the author's original intent.

If intended meaning is something you'd like to get at, I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the question, "what mindset and situation would I have to be in such that those words come naturally, spontaneously to mind?"

Anyway, in my experience with lots of meditation, the sentiment expressed in OP's quote is something that feels close to home. I think it has more to do with staying close to the problem at hand and being keenly aware of how all the pieces of you fit into that picture.

There exists a mental space where you can do things and have desires while at the same time seeing a larger context that breeds equanimity. It's a space thst makes things like personal thoughts, feeling and beliefs seem as simple and matter-of-fact as crickets chirping in the night.

Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by georgebarnett on Saturday August 24, 2019 @09:18PM (#20790746)
On the contrary.

It means that everything will only change when you change yourself. Find your own harmony and don’t worry about others. Their path is theirs.

Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by quickthrower2 on Sunday August 25, 2019 @10:49PM (#20797097)
Is this the where the Matrix got it’s spoon bending ideas from?
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by darkerside on Saturday August 24, 2019 @08:55PM (#20790676)
Try to change what you can, and recognize that the things you can't are vast, innumerable, infinite.
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by wayneftw on Saturday August 24, 2019 @09:55PM (#20790865)
Things you can always change are how you think, feel and react to things.

Some of these types of books say that yourself is the only thing which you can truly change because, they say, everything else is an illusion or simply that trying to change others is a futile task. How you perceive reality is everything.

I find this idea to be very liberating and pragmatic and when I remember to utilize this in practice, things flow much better for me. I become more flexible.

As Bruce Lee says - "You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend."

Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by kgwxd on Saturday August 24, 2019 @09:07PM (#20790721)
Seems glass half empty. The things you can change are vast, innumerable, infinite. Maybe less infinite, but infinite.
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by darkerside on Saturday August 24, 2019 @09:18PM (#20790743)
What you can change is a drop in an immense ocean. And that's ok. Yo can either ignore the rest of the ocean (denial), or make peace with the fact that the tiny drop of the ocean you can control is all that really matters.
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by andrepd on Sunday August 25, 2019 @07:11AM (#20792323)
That's (again, in my opinion) a really depressing and defeatist way to look at things, and at worst, a poetic way of saying "fuck you I got mine".
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by darkerside on Sunday August 25, 2019 @12:39PM (#20793897)
Well... it does have the advantage of being true. I'm just explaining one positive method of coping with this vast and amazing universe. Do you have another?
Re:Ask HN: How to be less argumentative online? by AdieuToLogic on Saturday August 24, 2019 @09:23PM (#20790771)
Is it that the glass is half empty or recognition that a glass cannot hold everything the world can pour into it?