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Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by dragonwriter on Saturday August 24, 2019 @10:08AM (#20787196)
> Again, the 3/5 compromise was forced on the slave states to reduce their power in federal decision making

To claim it reduced their power is false. It was less than they preferred, and more than the free states preferred

The argument for any consideration of slaves in apportionment included the arguments GP puts forward.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by jki275 on Saturday August 24, 2019 @03:00PM (#20789017)
No, it is not false.

The standard would have been that the slaves would have counted for representation purposes, which would have given the slave states the power to ensure slavery continued. The compromise reduced their power drastically and paved the way for slavery to eventually end.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by dragonwriter on Saturday August 24, 2019 @07:58PM (#20790475)
> The standard would have been that the slaves would have counted for representation purposes

No, there is no basis for even asserting that there was a standard, much less that the standard was that property, whether slaves, cattle, or horseshoes, would count for representation purposes.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by jki275 on Saturday August 24, 2019 @10:12PM (#20790923)
Ok, since you don't like my phrasing, the argument from the slave states was that slaves should count, which would have given them greater representation.

My statements stand.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by dragonwriter on Sunday August 25, 2019 @10:34AM (#20793200)
> My statements stand.

No, they don't, because they assume the slave state argument wasn't just their argument but a privileged default position, such that giving them something that was a compromise between what they wanted and what the free states wanted was a harm to them from the privileged default and not an inducement to keep them in.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by jki275 on Monday August 26, 2019 @07:55AM (#20799052)
To be clear, there was no "privileged default", the "default" was that everyone counted. The 3/5 compromise was forced on the slave states to reduce their power from the default. It was not an "inducement", they were forced into it.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by jki275 on Sunday August 25, 2019 @08:33PM (#20796638)
That's what we call word salad.