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Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:04PM (#20780530)
There's a lot of hyperbole surrounding this issue.

1) It is dry season in the region, and wildfires are a normal occurrence. 2) Wildfires are up compared to the same month last year, but still below the historical average. 3) Brazil already has strict environment protection laws which trump even property rights. In the Amazon region, for example, 80% of the area of any property must be preserved with native vegetation. No developed country even comes close.

The reason there is so much hyperbole about the situation in Brazil is both political and economic.

Economically, the current administration has cut funding to questionable NGOs, which used to take the money and do nothing productive, or even worse, engage in biopiracy. This has sparked strong reactions from those used to receive Brazilian taxpayer money. European politicians fake outrage, but their positions can be explained by the recent Mercosur-EU agreement, which has generated a strong reaction by local producers, used to European protectionism.

See France, for example. Macron is simultaneously criticized by both the left and the right, and is trying a political win with local producers and greens, even appealing to a photo of an Amazon wildfire taken 20 years ago by a photographer who died in 2003 to put blame in the current Brazilian administration [2].

Politically, this is only generating such a big reaction because of who's in charge of government in Brazil. The media worldwide tends strongly to the left, and any opportunity to criticize a right-wing administration is not wasted. I'm not saying any government should be above criticism, but things have to be done rationally.

1) If one refers to wildfire monitoring data [3], it can be easily seen that the worst years were in the 2002-2007 range, at levels twice as bad as the recent years. The country was then under a left-wing administration, and the current media and political reactions were nowhere to be seen.

2) Bolivia has much more lax environment protection laws, and is currently facing a way larger wildfire problem, probably the largest in its history. You hardly see anything about it in the media, except sometimes as a footnote in a story about Brazil. No European president is threatening their sovereignty; no one says their president is the destroyer of the Earth.

3) The previous (impeached) Brazilian administration cut environmental protection funds in 2015 from R$ 6b to R$ 1b. There was no outrage. Yet somehow otherwise reasonable people think the Amazon was destroyed in 7 months by the current administration.

[1] https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra... [2] https://factcheck.afp.com/prayforamazonas-thousands-people-a... [3] http://queimadas.dgi.inpe.br/queimadas/portal/estatistica_pa...

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by gleglegle on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:34PM (#20780924)
These are man-made fires driven by large-scale deforestation. Calling them wildfires is misleading.
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:46PM (#20781065)
There's nothing that implies natural causes in the word "wildfire".
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by gleglegle on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:53PM (#20781180)
Definitions here "wildfire, defined as largescale forest loss resulting from the burning of forest vegetation with no visible human conversion or agricultural activity afterward". There is clear agricultural activity immediately shown after the vast majority of Brazilian fires. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/361/6407/1108.ful...
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:05PM (#20781343)
"Any large fire that spreads rapidly and is hard to extinguish."

I'm using the dictionary definition of the word.

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by jeremysalwen on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:39PM (#20781746)
So you would honestly describe the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 which clearly was large, spread rapidly, and was hard to extinguish as a "wildfire"?
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:46PM (#20781826)
Was it in the wild?
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by simiano on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:26PM (#20781593)
As a Brazilian who despises the current administration, I find your comment on the matter rather sober. Thank you for your input, opened my eyes for a new perspective. Still worried by the current situation though. :(

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Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by brbrodude on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:15PM (#20784159)
You take comments like "the media worldwide is leftist" seriously? These are mostly not bad supporting arguments, not enough to conclude this is just a big misreading of the presidents funny style. Shit is going down and that's a fact, of course you should be worried. "It just means you are still sane"
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:31PM (#20784246)
How do you explain zero media coverage of the same issue, in larger scale, in previous administrations? Or about the current wildfire situation in Bolivia and Paraguay?
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by brbrodude on Saturday August 24, 2019 @01:16PM (#20788369)
I know it may sound harsh, but have you tried thinking about it rather than looking for a dismissal or deflection? Of course the media edits stuffs, editting is literally taking a cut of things, there are a hundred million threads buried underneath editting all the time, that's why we should always seek to dig a little more. This though is indeed a large story, climate change is being felt all over the world, bolsonaro's behavior(infantile at times, bordering insane others) and direct attacks(both verbal and as official policy) on science, environmental, indigenous concerns, the fires, the data, images, its all there. It's only been 6 months and this is indeed an international crisis, 3.5 years of this ahead and it could close the coffin on trying to manage the climate problem, if you forgot,according to science we're already missing the mark pretty bad. Try to dismiss it whatever, we could be setting up for hell on earth. Its too easy to freestyle justifications adhoc, too bad it's not actual rationality. This is not left/right dialectic, it is insanity.
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Monday August 26, 2019 @11:25PM (#20806076)
This is just hyperbole. Again, wildfires are within the average for the season as reported by both INPE and NASA.

You have to think in terms of geopolitics, not in terms of “forest good / fire bad”. The reaction against Brazil was unjustified and disproportionate, as can be clearly seen by the total lack of similar attacks on other countries with similar or worse situations. Why is that? What are the motivations and incentives? Who benefits if economic sanctions are imposed against Brazil?