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Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by einpoklum on Friday August 23, 2019 @01:57PM (#20780438)
1. "Fires are common" - means Brazil should have been ready to tackle them, and taken steps to minimize the chances of them breaking out in areas where people are active. It seems it hasn't; and - on the contrary, has let logging and other economic activity which can increase chances of fires expand excessively and without proper regulation.

Finally, researchers claim that most fires right now are caused by humans (and many started intentionally): https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/brazils-amazon-fires-st...

2. How do you know the alarm is due to the "hate on the President"? Also, the increase of fires should and can measured relative to _last_ year, not 2013. Since 2014 there was a gradual decrease, and the amount/area of fires has nearly doubled from 2018 to this year.

3. If it's illegal and damaging, why are people and corporations doing it, and doing it much more this year? It seems that to a great extent this is due to the new government's policy and rhetoric; and to a lesser extent it's an ongoing problem which both the previous and the current government have not addressed well enough.

4. Well, it seems the government is trying to avoid enforcing these harsh laws. For example:

> The environmental minister, Ricardo Salles, tweeted on Wednesday that the fires were caused by dry weather, wind, and heat. But CNN meteorologist Haley Brink said the fires are "definitely human-induced," and can't be attributed to natural causes like lightning strikes.

so it seems the government is voluntarily looking the other way. If it claims this is the cause, they are unlikely to vigorously pursue the culprits.

Bottom line: Don't do apologism for the government. Its behavior on environmental issues is inexcusable, regardless of any other issues.

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by rodolphoarruda on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:33PM (#20780910)
> 1. "Fires are common" - means Brazil should have been ready to tackle them

No, they are common because historically it has been impossible to stop them giving the limited reach of the government in the region. For example, not a single word coming from state governors about the problem. There are 8 of them all silent. Why? What happened to the "local authorities" that should be working on issue since day 1?

> 2. How do you know the alarm is due to the "hate on the President"?

Because we saw no alarms to previous presidents in the tenures. Fires were orders of magnitude larger due to lack of interest or attention to environmental causes in general. So, yes, it has to do with the pressure groups' desire to damage this President's image, specially abroad (hence Macron).

> 3. If it's illegal and damaging, why are people and corporations doing it, and doing it much more this year?

Which corporations? Any names? Are they equally exposed in a negative fashion by media? Any boycotts? Why aren't they sharing headlines with government names in the news? The justice minister and half the congress love to play the good guys who go after corrupt corporations (does Car Wash Operation ring a bell?). They have put a dozen CEOs from the most well known Brazilian corps in jail already. Not a single one from crimes against the environment. Why?

> 4. it seems the government is trying to avoid enforcing these harsh laws

Law enforcement in continent sized developing countries is VERY difficult, let alone in distant isolated parts of the territory. The level of violence and corruption in those places is beyond mind boggling even to locals that were borne and raised in the culture.

For outsiders like us -- looking at the problem from various angles and distances -- the environmental issue in the Amazon is equally complex as the ones we see in the middle east, in the Gaza strip, in hunger regions of Africa etc. This is something that may drag on for decades without a definitive solution, which is a sad thought for me as a Brazilian.

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by gleglegle on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:49PM (#20781119)
Bolsonaro has clearly encouraged deforestation. No other recent Brazilian political leader been so explicit about it. He has also encouraged harassment and hate towards natives living in forested areas. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/19/jair-bolsonaro...
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:24PM (#20784212)
> He has also encouraged harassment and hate towards natives living in forested areas.

Your own link directly contradicts your statement. He clearly says he wants to increase the quality of life of indigenous people.

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by rodolphoarruda on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:58PM (#20781245)
From the article:

But governing Brazil is no easy matter, he concluded. “It is difficult to be president of Brazil because it is a president that has less authority,”

What Bolsonaro thinks or says has no immediate effect on what has been going on in Amazon for decades. It's easy to blame him, but then... what do we do? More laws? Who's enforcing them?

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by hutzlibu on Friday August 23, 2019 @07:37PM (#20783888)
Every president wants to have more power.

But the point is, that this president actions so far, did not help the amazonas, so how would given him more power, not harm things even more?

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:18PM (#20780717)
The article you linked is based on hearsay and people with explicit political agendas, not on facts. For example, the "unprecedented destruction" claimed by Mr. Poirier (a former assistant to Brazil's Landless Workers Movement, a far-left, anti-property rights, violent organization), is easily proven false. Just check the actual historical data and see for yourself (choose "Brasil" in the drop-down menu):

http://queimadas.dgi.inpe.br/queimadas/portal/estatistica_pa...

> How do you know the alarm is due to the "hate on the President"

Worse wildfires and budget cuts have happened at much larger scale than now on previous administrations, to be met with no international outrage at all.

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by barberousse on Friday August 23, 2019 @06:18PM (#20783251)
> Worse wildfires and budget cuts have happened at much larger scale than now on previous administrations, to be met with no international outrage at all.

Except we're in the middle of evident climate change and more than ever has attention on environmental degradation been higher

Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by andrenth on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:53PM (#20784366)
Why is no one talking about Bolivia then? They’re going through one of the largest fires ever, they have much laxer protection laws than Brazil, and yet no European government is threatening their sovereignty.
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by zekrioca on Friday August 23, 2019 @09:05PM (#20784452)
Who is “we”? Climate change has been here since forever. You may very well be just reading the news about it more often.
Re:Amazon fires: Brazil threatened over EU trade deal by barberousse on Friday August 23, 2019 @06:14PM (#20783225)
I just love it how it has become the fashion to say someone is being "hated" or "hated on", it's like the most magical term in civil discourse, you just no longer have to respond to interlocutors