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Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by throwaway5752 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:51AM (#20768716)
I don't want to sound harsh, but you're wrong because you're missing the point, and badly.

The author talks about cancer diagnoses. This is an apt analogy, and there is a huge body of science for helping individuals cope with personal tragedy. Global warming is a global and personal tragedy. People will have their livelihoods ruined, and people will die. People already have, but (since this is a anglophile community) this forum is mostly insulated from developments in North Africa, the Middle East, Central America... how it impacts us is in the nationalistic/xenophobic movements around the resulting human migrations. Acknowledging this will prevent conflict and harm those that cynically try to take advantage of groups of people in vulnerable states through demagoguing.

The science should be cold an unemotional. The policy dictated by the science should be sensitive to the mental health of everyone as they absorb the magnitude of this disaster.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by RobertRoberts on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:55AM (#20768766)
Do you want to feel better about the climate? Or actually fix it?

I'd rather have a cold hard doctor that fixes my cancer, than feel good about dying.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by trehalose on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:01PM (#20770778)
Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by RobertRoberts on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:30PM (#20771019)
If there is any science that says smiling or telling a joke will alter the climate, I will be the first in line to admit my error.

Otherwise, I will argue that emotions are directly linked to our personal health, but not the climate. It's an entirely different system that has no emotions.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by c0nducktr on Thursday August 22, 2019 @06:20PM (#20772922)
Fuck man you're so god damn keen on missing the point, aren't you? Nobody's saying the climate has emotions.

You're not going to fix anything without convincing people do act, and its more likely that you can convince people to act if you can connect with with on an emotional level, rather than just tell them the facts and saying what needs to be done.

We've been telling people the facts for years and it's not done shit.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by RobertRoberts on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:41PM (#20773690)
I am not missing the point, fixing the climate has nothing to do with emotions of people either.

All a politician has to do is present a real solution, and you will have lots of support. That hasn't happened yet. It wasn't hard to get people to stop littering, because the leaders did something about it, and the followers followed.

It's a leadership issue, not a follower issue. So stop blaming the followers, and blame the leaders.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by kernelPan1c on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:19AM (#20769055)
Agreed, this is a problem that we will solve through scientific innovation in power generation (nuclear) and carbon sequestration. The solutions that fall in the emotional domain often involve legislation and a reduction in quality of life.
Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by throwaway5752 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:00AM (#20768834)
I would like to have a cold hard oncologist, a therapist, and hospice care in that situation, personally.
Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by damnyou on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:59AM (#20768818)
Why are you presenting a false dichotomy?
Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by RobertRoberts on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:01PM (#20770777)
A false dichotomy is when two opposing views are expressed as the only options. I am comparing a real solution (science) with a phony one (emotions).

Can a warm fuzzy doctor cure cancer with science? Yes.

Can a warm fuzzy doctor cure cancer with emotions and no science? No.

So, this is not a false dichotomy. The climate can not be changed by feeling different about it.

Is there a solution to climate change that does not involve science? I would argue no.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by IanCal on Thursday August 22, 2019 @06:09PM (#20772847)
You put up a false dichotomy because none of us are saying it's a choice between emotions and science.

What they're talking about is how important emotions are when dealing with humans, and you need to deal with humans to solve this problem.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by RobertRoberts on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:43PM (#20773701)
The climate issue would end tomorrow if the government made it illegal and started arresting people. So it's not a problem with the people.

It's a childish ploy to play with emotions, and you will end up with a childish solution playing this game.

Science has won over millions of people with the truth time and time again. To pretend like this issue can only be solved by emotions is a giant lie. We have history to demonstrate this.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by IanCal on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:09AM (#20775152)
> The climate issue would end tomorrow if the government made it illegal and started arresting people. So it's not a problem with the people.

If the government made all CO2 emissions illegal tomorrow people wouldn't be able to go to work or feed their families, you'd have massive riots and the government would either change their minds or be thrown out.

> To pretend like this issue can only be solved by emotions is a giant lie.

Yet again, absolutely nobody is saying this.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by RobertRoberts on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:26AM (#20776774)
Yes, the economy would be impacted, but the problem of the climate would be solved. A real solution. Why not start there and work backwards towards a solution that will be acceptable?

How would people feel about saving the entire human race? Maybe that's the problem, it's "feelings", not real solutions.

> Yet again, absolutely nobody is saying this.

They actually are, it's just subtle so maybe you aren't noticing it. There's an attempted shift in the discussion away from very, very real solutions to emotional manipulation.

Re:Yes, I’m Feeling Bad About Climate Change. Let’s Discuss by damnyou on Friday August 23, 2019 @01:25PM (#20780039)
There's no solution to climate change that does not involve science.

However, there's no solution to climate science that doesn't involve engaging with humans either. Pathos is a fundamental part of engaging with humans.