Re:Locked Tesla stolen in 30 seconds in London with fob rela...
by matt-attack on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:13AM
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This attack against key fobs has been around for years. The recommendation is to keep your keys in a metal container (faraday cafe) when at home. Or at best, not on a hook right by your front door.
Re:Locked Tesla stolen in 30 seconds in London with fob rela...
by toomuchtodo on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:41AM
(#20768580)
You can also disable passive entry, and rely on pressing unlock on the fob or using the Tesla app to unlock the vehicle and enable drive mode.
I wrote a python script that allows quick delegation of access to our Tesla vehicles to family and friends, so huge fan of using the app and API over the passive fob.
Re:Locked Tesla stolen in 30 seconds in London with fob rela...
by cwilkes on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:48AM
(#20769391)
With my car the fob has to be within 2 feet to unlock the door.
At first I thought this was due to using low power transmitters, now I see it as an unintended security feature.
Re:Locked Tesla stolen in 30 seconds in London with fob rela...
by foxyv on Sunday August 25, 2019 @11:34AM
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Most short distance rangefinders use an interferometer. You send a radar/laser/sound wave at a target and compare it against a reference. You measure the displacement in the phase angle of the beam bounced off the target to determine distance. You can get insane precision using short wavelengths.
The most common long range rangefinders use nanosecond timers to measure the delay between a pulse and a response. At 100 meters, a laser beam will take 666ns to bounce off a target, 200 meters will take 1300ns etc... The precision of this method is a lot less because of confounding factors like the precision of your timing device, refraction, etc... Data will be encoded into the laser pulses similar to a GPS signal to reduce issues with cross talk between rangefinders and jamming. These measurements are confounded by the huge speed of light. A 1 nanosecond mis-timing will result in 0.3 meters loss of precision.
A triangulating range finder (Usually a LIDAR) will further refine the above measurement by positioning sensors a distance apart to make medium distance sensing more accurate. This allows LIDAR scanners to increase their precision down into the millimeter range.
Re:Locked Tesla stolen in 30 seconds in London with fob rela...
by 693471 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:22AM
(#20769094)
There is 2FA, they just didn't enable it. There's a PIN to drive feature where you have to put a pin number in on the main touchscreen. It also moves to a different location each time so nobody can look at fingerprints.
I wrote a python script that allows quick delegation of access to our Tesla vehicles to family and friends, so huge fan of using the app and API over the passive fob.
The most common long range rangefinders use nanosecond timers to measure the delay between a pulse and a response. At 100 meters, a laser beam will take 666ns to bounce off a target, 200 meters will take 1300ns etc... The precision of this method is a lot less because of confounding factors like the precision of your timing device, refraction, etc... Data will be encoded into the laser pulses similar to a GPS signal to reduce issues with cross talk between rangefinders and jamming. These measurements are confounded by the huge speed of light. A 1 nanosecond mis-timing will result in 0.3 meters loss of precision.
A triangulating range finder (Usually a LIDAR) will further refine the above measurement by positioning sensors a distance apart to make medium distance sensing more accurate. This allows LIDAR scanners to increase their precision down into the millimeter range.
Or a tiny motion sensor in the key, if it's still then don't authenticate.
[Edit:] Suitable sensor, 2012 technology! https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1317349#
Does the order of the digits shuffle, or does the whole UI element move, or both?
Or use infrared to unlock the car, that requires you to stand next to the car and therefore shielding the device from any leakage :]