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Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by tobylane on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:12AM (#20766106)
It will be reliable and fast because it's on its own tracks. It'll be comfortable because those tracks are new, and the high ticket price requires decent seats. I'm surprised by your concerns. Try out HS1.

Like with Hinckley and various other grand projects I'd rather we taught ourselves how to do it. Only HS2a has passed into law, b&c, HS3 and Crossrail2 are still to come.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by tempguy9999 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @06:02AM (#20766363)
> and the high ticket price requires decent seats

The cost of the train can be amazing. I'd like to know what train users will say if offered the choice between 'decent seats' and a decent price.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by isostatic on Friday August 23, 2019 @05:04AM (#20775694)
£6 for a 90 minute 130 mile trip? Sure is amazing.

High costs on the WCML for flexible peak fares are becase

1) The costs subsidise rail elsewhere, like regional networks in the North and Welsh Valleys

2) The price encourages people to take less busier trains

(2) falls down a bit with the hard cutoff, because there's no "shoulder peak" at Euston, meaning that 1840 is empty but the 1900 is really full, but the principle remains.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by digianarchist on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:56AM (#20777001)
£120 from Euston to Lime Street sitting on the floor bank holiday weekend. HS2 can't come soon enough.
Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by isostatic on Friday August 23, 2019 @10:22AM (#20777923)
Given that a walk up fare on a bank holiday is £89.60 return I struggle to see where you get £120 from. If you're happy to take a slow train it's £35 return.

Bank holidays are always very busy, you'd think that if prices were really so high people wouldn't travel. The extra 10,000 seats an hour that HS2 provides will certainly help though.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by switch007 on Friday August 23, 2019 @07:20PM (#20783742)
> Given that a walk up fare on a bank holiday is £89.60 return

An relative bargain compared to London-Leeds costing £113.50

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by isostatic on Saturday August 24, 2019 @04:22AM (#20785983)
Yet of tou’re Willing to take longer it’s £35 rtutn, or about 10p/mile
Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by switch007 on Saturday August 24, 2019 @05:51PM (#20789940)
Pray tell, what is this route for £35 off-peak, walk-up?
Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by isostatic on Monday August 26, 2019 @06:00AM (#20798529)
Euston to Liverpool on LM. Trains are direct at xx:49, or change at Crewe

No break of journey on the outbound but allowed on return.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by agent008t on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:22AM (#20766156)
1. Are constant delays and signal failures on existing tracks because the tracks are old, and so new tracks would not have these problems?

2. The Caledonian Express also has high ticket prices, yet the service is completely shambolic.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by pjc50 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:28AM (#20766188)
> Are constant delays and signal failures on existing tracks because the tracks are old, and so new tracks would not have these problems?

Yes. This is also why the Tube and the NYC metro have such big problems compared to more recently built systems.

Re:A Look at HS2's Old Oak Common Station by NikkiA on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:33AM (#20768469)
It's not the 'tracks' per se, as in the lumps of metal on the ground, but more frequently it's the design of the segment of the route.

A piece of route might have been designed in the 1800s, possibly to a speed limit of 20 or 30mph, then been rationalised and 'upgraded' over the years to a higher speed, but that section of track will still carry limitations that are implied by the way it was initially designed to be, signalling may be too close together, or too far apart, junctions that are rarely used but remain for whatever reason add complexity and potential failure sites, tracks.

There are of course some physical aspects of physically old track - shorter (~100m) sections of rail joined together have a higher risk of failure than the newer techniques of long (0.5km to 1km or more) single track pieces welded together, old wooden sleepers allow track movement that can result in delays and maintenance issues, whereas relative-new concrete sleepers, and really-new split-concrete sleepers are more reliable and permit faster and more reliable train operation.

Tearing routes apart and redesigning the sections from scratch is difficult politically, so the UK's railway network tends to suffer from the fact that 99% of it was designed and built before 1880.