Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Kong protests

Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by guardiangod on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:45PM (#20763545)

>They also have a reputation of carrying billions of people out from poverty and to prosperity.

So did the Soviet Union. They lifted hundreds of millions of people from the ruinous World World 2 to a modern industrial society. It's what happened after _that_ that warrants concern.

Another argument is that, yes, CCP did lift most of the population out of subsistence poverty, but can another Party do better? Can the Taiwanese Republic of China government do better (probably not)? can another party modernize China in less time than CCP's 50 years (1949-2000)?

As for censorship and change narratives. I can swear at the leader of my country without fear. Can you do the same to Xi in China?

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Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by markus_zhang on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:14PM (#20764013)

For your last question. Can you swear to the police or even hit him with you hand without much fear? You can do that in China...

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Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by pimmen on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:38AM (#20764984)

I live in Sweden and yes, absolutely, I can do that. I've seen people swear towards the police and absolutely nothing happened.

Assaulting someone by hitting them however is not a freedom, you're violating someone else's freedom of not being harmed. Which is not what the post you're responding to was mentioning.

It looks like you want to steer the discussion away from free speech, because you know the West has that and China doesn't, towards an argument that if you can't do anything you want in the West it's not really free. Which has nothing to do with China.

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