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Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:31PM (#20763467)
Everyone feels a lack of free speech about issues they want to discuss. The hard part is establishing a shared understanding that some issues you'd like to discuss will always end up being inconvenient to the powers that be. Most Chinese citizens I've seen discuss the issue argue that they're simply immune to the problem; that as long as you're a responsible person just trying to live a good life, the government won't end up strongly interfering with what you want to say.
Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by markus_zhang on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:42PM (#20763528)
True. Actually discussing the leaders doesn't do anyone any good. For one, how do you know the things you being fed are real? And what are you going to do if it's real/not real? Just venting?

If you don't like the leadership, there are plenty of other ways to improve that, but talking is the cheapest.

Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:50PM (#20763589)
And that all sounds well and good to most people, until it's their dad who the leaders decide should be shipped off to a re-education camp. But it's too late at that point; even if I go around yelling to everyone that my dad's not a terrorist, they know just as well as I once did that yelling at government leaders means I'm a cheap agitator with nothing better to do.
Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @09:31PM (#20763806)
So, your suggestion is that change should be organized without talking about it, did I understand that right?

Gee, the authoritarian brainwashing really is strong with you.

Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by markus_zhang on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:00PM (#20763946)
No. You misundertood. Changes cannot be achieved by simple talking. You have to complain and do things if it doesn't work. BTW I agree with peaceful protesters.
Re:Why so many Chinese students can’t understand the Hong Ko... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:22PM (#20764047)
> You misundertood.

Quoting you:

> Actually discussing the leaders doesn't do anyone any good.

So: No, I didn't.

> Changes cannot be achieved by simple talking.

Yes, they can. And are. Constantly.

> You have to complain and do things if it doesn't work.

No. For one, many things can be changed by talking, and talking only. But also, there is absolutely nothing wrong if someone only talks about things being bad where action besides talking is required to change things. It's neither morally wrong, nor is it useless, if your talking is what enables others to implement the changes.

What actually is completely useless is complaining about people only talking about a problem. Absolutely nothing useful can possibly come from that. But it's a common fallacy used by authoritarians and parroted by their followers, nothing particularly special to China. Which is the general impression I get from a lot of your arguments in this discussion: Tons of typical authoritarian fallacies the likes of which you would also hear from right-wing nationalists in "western countries".