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Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by pfisch on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @05:53PM (#20762243)
Because of the EC I would argue that in most states, including California, your vote effectively doesn't matter at all.

Unless you are in a purple state you basically don't have a vote, and politicians can ignore your entire State.

So while the EC does empower some rural voters, in reality it effectively disenfranchises most of the country.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by vonmoltke on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:21PM (#20762523)
That's not an argument against the Electoral College per se, but rather an argument against letting states allocate all of their Electoral College votes to the winner of the popular vote. This particular problem could be solved by forcing all states to apportion their Electoral College votes based on the distribution of the popular vote.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by pfisch on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:45PM (#20763163)
> This particular problem could be solved by forcing all states to apportion their Electoral College votes based on the distribution of the popular vote.

That is not a realistic proposal. Political gridlock will never allow a change like this. Doing it state by state is even worse because it just creates a system where dems try to do it to only red states and the GOP tries to do it to only blue states. It would just further skew the outcomes away from a democratic result.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by zhoujianfu on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:36AM (#20764972)
This is exactly what the article is about, and 16 states with 194 votes have already done it. It will eventually pass 270 because most states (all non-swing states) have a lot to gain from it.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by pfisch on Thursday August 22, 2019 @07:18PM (#20773250)
I'm pretty sure the poster I responded to was talking about doing this on a per state basis. Not the national popular vote.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by zhoujianfu on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:35AM (#20764967)
That’s exactly what the NPVIC is trying for... they’re not abolishing the electoral college, just making an agreement that 270+ of them will vote for whomever wins the entire nation’s popular vote.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by wyldfire on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:27PM (#20762584)
IIRC this behavior is per-state and some (Maine or NH maybe?) do just that.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by khuey on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:08PM (#20762901)
Maine and Nebraska apportion their electoral votes on a per-Congressional district basis. But because Congressional districts can be heavily gerrymandered this is not a substitute for a truly proportional allocation scheme.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by jakelazaroff on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:07PM (#20762390)
Exactly. I live in NYC. I still vote, but really it doesn't matter whom I vote for since there's an approximately 100% chance of New York's electoral votes going to the Democratic candidate. On the other hand, Kansas hasn't voted for a Democrat since Lyndon B. Johnson; I'm sure people there don't feel particularly enfranchised either.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by zaroth on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:00PM (#20762310)
But this proves the point.

The issue you are having at the state level is a dominant majority makes the views of the minority irrelevant.

And to be clear, the EC does not disenfranchise all the voters in states like CA, just the minority voters.

This is actually precisely what the Senate and the Electoral College is designed to mitigate.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by chillwaves on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:22PM (#20762538)
it invalidates all voters. Overvotes are a thing. You can have 90% of CA vote against a candidate and it won't mean anything more than 51% voting against.

So roughly half of the votes in all non competitive states do not count.