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Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by mieseratte on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:40AM (#20756049)
> soviets don’t get adequate credit for the privation they suffered.

According to whom?

We certainly learned the human burden the Soviets bore, including their less-than-Western regard for life, as a part of the war in my public school.

Perhaps if they hadn't raped, pillaged, and plundered their way through Europe they would've seen a bit more celebration from their erstwhile allies.

Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by wtdata on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:50AM (#20756105)
> Perhaps if they hadn't raped, pillaged, and plundered their way through Europe they would've seen a bit more celebration from their erstwhile allies.

Makes you wonder why Americans did get that celebration then:

"In 1945, after the end of the war in Europe, Le Havre was filled with American servicemen awaiting return to the States. A Le Havre citizen wrote to the mayor that the people of Le Havre were "attacked, robbed, run over both on the street and in our houses" and "This is a regime of terror, imposed by bandits in uniform."[4] A coffeehouse owner from Le Havre testified "We expected friends who would not make us ashamed of our defeat. Instead, there came only incomprehension, arrogance, incredibly bad manners and the swagger of conquerors."[6] Such behavior also was common in Cherbourg. One resident stated that "With the Germans, the men had to camouflage themselves—but with the Americans, we had to hide the women."" [1]

I wonder if it had anything to do, with the much better implemented propaganda machine, USA had in Western Europe after WWII.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_liberation_of_...

Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by refurb on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:57PM (#20763253)
Are you really equating “incomprehension, arrogance, incredibly bad manners and the swagger of conquerors” to the mass rapes the Russians committed?
Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by wtdata on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:22AM (#20766155)
You do understand that the title of the wikipedia article - and its main point - is about the rape of French woman by American soldiers on the aftermath of D-Day, right?
Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by refurb on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:20PM (#20770350)
Then why did they quote about "bad manners"?
Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by perseusmandate on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:26PM (#20763442)
Having studied the Eastern Front extensively, incidents like this would not even have been significant enough to be recorded in the context of the Soviets or Germans.

Stalin and Zhukov both actively condoned the rape of women and the atrocities in East Prussia included the rape and crucifixion of women and elderly children and the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff which was equivalent to 5+ Titanics

It was a different order of magnitude of brutality on both sides

Re:Marshal Zhukov's Pocket Knife by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:14AM (#20756220)
Soviet behavior in Eastern Europe is pretty par for the course for a conquering army that isn't re-conquering what it considers home turf.

Considering how the Nazis treated the Slavic peoples they conquered and that the Russians got to see all that on their tour of eastern Europe prior to arriving in Germany I think it's a miracle that the soviet army didn't get even.