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Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by _kyran on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @09:25AM (#20746707)
Is Patagonia's marketing at heart not Greenwashing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing) ?

I get that they source materials ethically and do things way better than 90% of other clothing companies.

Surely if they truly wanted to minimise their impact on the planet, they would rid their stores of sales and cut back on the amount of new styles/designs that they release.

Where I live there are around 3 patagonia outlets that are always promoting sales of up to 80% off, and that just seems so off compared to what they claim to stand for.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by nerdb4itwascool on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:34PM (#20752898)
Chouinard is quoted about this in the article:

“But I’ve become cynical about whether we can have any influence,” Chouinard said. “Everyone’s just greenwashing. The revolution isn’t going to happen with corporations. The elephant in the room is growth. Growth is the culprit.”

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by echelon on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:23PM (#20753254)
> “Everyone’s just greenwashing. The revolution isn’t going to happen with corporations. The elephant in the room is growth. Growth is the culprit.”

Unchecked growth is one of the hallmarks of cancer. Kind of an interesting analogy.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by germinalphrase on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:48PM (#20753013)
Is there any theory/ideas about how a "post-growth" economy would/could function?
Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by asdfgasd on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:05PM (#20753158)
There are many, it's a very old, very well thought-out tradition. Try reading Kropotkin, or from a more modern perspective, Richard Wolff.

However, it doesn't align with the current vision of orthodox Western capitalism, so it isn't particularly popular in mainstream media or culture.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by PhaseLockk on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @09:30AM (#20746761)
What is the problem with companies offering sales?
Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by _kyran on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @09:40AM (#20746876)
No problem with companies putting something on sale.

One of their values is that:

"We know that our business activity—from lighting stores to dyeing shirts—is part of the problem. We work steadily to change our business practices and share what we’ve learned. But we recognize that this is not enough. We seek not only to do less harm, but more good."

Running sales, just generates more impulse purchases and consumerism. If the products they make are truly the best that they can, they wouldn't have the need to clear out stock on a regular basis and to make way for new styles being made all the time.

Furthermore, they love to plaster their branding all over the "Big Oil, Don't Surf" campaigns (of which I do think is a good cause), but it's a little hypocritic when the surf industry wouldn't exist without oil, not to mention that their own wetsuits contain synthetic rubber (derived from oil).

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by iancmceachern on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @09:58AM (#20747092)
But their wetsuits are 85% natural rubber, by far leading the industry. https://www.patagonia.com/yulex-natural-rubber-wetsuits.html
Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by francisofascii on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @09:52AM (#20747030)
Some people simply won't purchase unless it is on sale. Better to own one quality pair of shorts than two cheaper mediocre pairs. Also, advocating for drastic reductions of oil extraction does not mean you have to give up oil completely. The world is in trouble not because we use oil, but because we use way, way too much of it when viable alternatives exist.
Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by jeromegv on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @09:55AM (#20747064)
This is clearing out products that haven't sold. Making sure they find a home instead of having to get rid of them in the trash.

Patagonia has admitted that at the end of the day, they are a company in a capitalist society. They know, and have said many times, it's better to re-use or keep longer what you have than to buy something new. But at the end of the day, do you want to buy from a company that does absolutely nothing for the environment or a company that at least, tries to minimize their impact? They are probably one of the best company out there when it comes to sustainability.

Let's stop trying to bring down the companies that are actually doing better and criticize the companies that do absolutely nothing. Perfect is the enemy of good.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by starpilot on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:38PM (#20748940)
> Running sales, just generates more impulse purchases and consumerism

You probably didn't hear of their "Don't buy this jacket" campaign: https://www.patagonia.com/blog/2011/11/dont-buy-this-jacket-... They also promote buying used items through their WornWear program.

If people didn't buy from Pata, they'd probably be giving their money to TNF or Columbia or some other company that is far worse for the environment. None of the others are certified B corporations. I'm glad it exists as a better option, even if it's not perfectly zero impact.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by bob457 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:07PM (#20748545)
Everything has an impact.

The ultimate act of conservation is suicide. Few are that committed. We are all hypocrites.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by RankingMember on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:29PM (#20748821)
I think doing something positive with you life (e.g. advocating for people to make responsible procreation decisions) could give you a net positive existence. I think advocating people commit suicide isn't going to win you many adherents though (unless you have a really cool story about where you go after suicide, e.g. Heaven's Gate :P).
Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by snowwrestler on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @05:28PM (#20752391)
Patagonia runs sales partially for the same reason anyone else does, which is to clear out inventory that didn’t sell at full price.

But unlike most other companies, Patagonia also plans ahead for some inventory to go at sale prices, in order to serve dirtbag outdoors lifers who would never pay full price... the same sort of people who started Patagonia a long time ago.

This was explained to me by a Patagonia sales rep about 20 years ago when I worked retail. I assume it’s still true because their end of season sales still seem to have prime inventory in them.

Re:Patagonia's Philosopher King (2016) by jancsika on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:29PM (#20750995)
> Surely if they truly wanted to minimise their impact on the planet, they would rid their stores of sales and cut back on the amount of new styles/designs that they release.

Yes-- if Patagonia weren't a capitalist endeavor it would have a smaller impact on the planet. :)

I'd venture to guess that the largest minimization occurs because their customers can wear a large number of their garments for a decade or more before they begin to break down due to normal wear and tear. Moreover, one could send back any garment from any period in their history (barring underwear) and if it's salvageable they'll repair it. Their refurbishing program even supports at least one brick-and-mortar refurbished clothing store that I know of.

Can you imagine the environmental impact if Apple had anything resembling such a program? Or hell, if Apple simply ceased lobbying against the right-to-repair...