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Re:Media Can’t Stop Presenting Horrifying Stories as ‘Uplift... by cj on Sunday August 18, 2019 @11:57AM (#20730964)
> Like "oh but you might lose your private insurance" is a discussion people in the primary are having _when you would be replacing private insurance with free healthcare_. What sort of positioning is even being had here?

A common fear is that wait times to see a doctor would be much higher with universal healthcare compared to a system with private insurance.

Horror stories about people in Canada and the EU waiting months for a procedure that would be available immediately to someone with private insurance if in the US.

I don’t mean to start a health care debate in this thread. My main point is that there are reasonable (logical, rational) fears that people have causing them to be against universal healthcare. Understanding those fears and addressing them upfront is one way to get past them.

Re:Media Can’t Stop Presenting Horrifying Stories as ‘Uplift... by moate on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:19PM (#20731107)
"I don't want to wait in line, so make sure poor people can't go to doctors", which is the reason there are lines and wait times, is basically a cartoon villain argument and anyone making it should be treated as such.
Re:Media Can’t Stop Presenting Horrifying Stories as ‘Uplift... by DHPersonal on Sunday August 18, 2019 @02:05PM (#20731783)
The anxiety is not about the wait but rather the potential consequences of the delay, such as the potential death or prolonged suffering of a loved one.
Re:Media Can’t Stop Presenting Horrifying Stories as ‘Uplift... by moate on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:30AM (#20734910)
Got it. "my sick dying relative > your sick dying relative". Total morally reasonable now, thanks for clearing that up.

Why are there going to be lines and waits with expanded healthcare coverage? Because people who need to see doctors will be seeing doctors. If your logic train is "Expanding coverage will create lines, therefor don't expand coverage" and not "Expanding coverage will create lines and therefor we will need to find solutions to new problems when we expand coverage" IDK how you're not just doing some gatekeeping to keep services high for yourself at the expense of others.

Re:Media Can’t Stop Presenting Horrifying Stories as ‘Uplift... by DHPersonal on Monday August 19, 2019 @01:19PM (#20739660)
>Got it. "my sick dying relative > your sick dying relative". Total morally reasonable now, thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, either that or one's own health being potentially at fault and having to wait too long for treatment. I didn't mean to insinuate that it was a morally correct choice; only that I thought it was a perspective not being considered. Better healthcare for all is a good thing and is something many people support, but doing so at cost of a loved one's health makes the decision far more difficult.

Re:Media Can’t Stop Presenting Horrifying Stories as ‘Uplift... by moate on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @05:22PM (#20752328)
Oh no, it had been considered.

I will die on this hill. If you oppose expanding healthcare because you feel that then too many people will have healthcare and that will cause problems for you, you're a terrible person. "What about the smaller number of people who have a great situation" is never a counterpoint to "what about the much greater number of people who have a terrible situation"