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Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by scarygliders on Sunday August 18, 2019 @08:20AM (#20729757)
Indeed there are so many things one could be concerned about..

- An asteroid could wipe out all life on Earth. - The supervolcano known as Yellowstone might erupt. Again. - Supernova gamma ray burst might hit the planet, sterilising it (and us). - A massive and catastrophic solar flare hitting Earth. - If Carl Sagan is correct, and extra-terrestrial intelligent life does exist, and they turn out to be belligerant, Earth could be attacked. - A global pandemic caused by some super-disease suddenly emerging.

And this is 100% going to happen: our own life-giving star, Sol, WILL destroy the planet in a few billion years time.

Also 100% going to happen; you will die at some point between now and the next 70 or less years, depending on your age, genetics, health, propensity for dangerous sports or activites, whether you look out for fast moving vehicles whilst crossing the road, whether or not an aircraft falls on you.

And so on.

Of course, we humans should try and keep Spaceship Earth in good running condition. Finding ways of reducing waste and keeping our environment clean and healthy is of utmost importance.

As for Global Warming?

This is where I trigger potential downvotes - please don't do this just because I might disagree with you, it's just not cricket old bean.

I am yet to be convinced that human beings are the main cause of Global Warming. This has, despite any protestations to the contrary, not been proven. Global Warming theory is still just a theory, and just to head this one off at the pass, no, pointing out that "gravity is also just a theory" is a fallacious argument.

I am yet to be convinced human beings are responsible for a changing global climate. Global Climate Change is a thing, yes, and that climate has been changing since the formation of planet Earth 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years ago. I don't think humans can possibly affect this planet in terms of /global/ Climate Change in any measurable magnitude. There are forces which affect and cause /global/ Climate Change which are vastly more powerful than us mere humans.

Humans can affect their local climate for sure - a city has a different local climate compared to an equivalent area of wildland. All that tarmac and concrete does have an effect locally. But to suggest that the human race - which inhabits a small percentage of the landcover of a planet of which two thirds of its surface is water - is the main cause of Climate Change, reeks of hubris and agenda.

The best thing we humans can do is to put things into perspective, deal with a dynamic, ever-changing global climate which is out of our control, try our best to keep the place tidy - we do need more effort on that front - do what we humans are great at doing which is coming up with great and new technologies (I'm looking at you, fusion power to be a workable thing within my lifetime!), and make the most of our individual limited time on this Earth by following your aspirations and fulfilling your potential.

Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by tzs on Sunday August 18, 2019 @01:04PM (#20731393)
We know that humans are responsible for the large increase in greenhouse gases over the last few decades, because greenhouse gases from most non-human sources have different isotope ratios than those we produce, and the non-human sources that do look the same as human sources from an isotope ratio viewpoint can be spotted and monitored and accounted for from satellites.

So unless you are disputing that a large worldwide increase in greenhouse gas concentration in the atmosphere affects climate, your position that humans can't affect global climate is untenable.

Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by seren on Sunday August 18, 2019 @09:46AM (#20730096)
I don't want to downvote you but you cannot ask us to believe your intimate conviction versus the scientific community.
Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by imtringued on Sunday August 18, 2019 @10:28AM (#20730301)
You have listed discrete events that either happen or they don't. If they are avoided then it is as if they never happened in the first place. Global warming isn't like that. Once it has started you can still stop it but you can never go back to the way it was before.

Global warming is like having cancer. You go to the doctor( or scientist), you check if you have cancer (or global warming), he tells you yes you indeed have cancer and only 5 years of life left (a few decades with global warming) and if you get treated right away they might even prevent the cancer from spreading and you will have a good chance of growing old and dying in your 80s. Except you are stingy and don't want to pay the (very cheap) bill. 3 years later you are bedridden and the bill has quadrupled.

Also if you think climate change wasn't accelerated by humans then please take a look at this nice chart. https://xkcd.com/1732/

Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by Melouv on Sunday August 18, 2019 @09:54AM (#20730137)
> Indeed there are so many things one could be concerned about..

> - An asteroid could wipe out all life on Earth. - The supervolcano known as Yellowstone might erupt. Again. - Supernova gamma ray burst might hit the planet, sterilising it (and us). - A massive and catastrophic solar flare hitting Earth. - If Carl Sagan is correct, and extra-terrestrial intelligent life does exist, and they turn out to be belligerant, Earth could be attacked. - A global pandemic caused by some super-disease suddenly emerging.

True, all of these things are out of our control and also not currently happening. Climate change is and we can also do something about it.

> And this is 100% going to happen: our own life-giving star, Sol, WILL destroy the planet in a few billion years time.

Ehh sure, this and the above paragraph are prime examples of what-aboutism. This is generally not useful for solving problems.

> I am yet to be convinced human beings are responsible for a changing global climate. Global Climate Change is a thing, yes, and that climate has been changing since the formation of planet Earth 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years ago.

Yes the climate has been changing. It generally did not change at the rate we're seeing now. It might not be manmade but that would make timing (right after the industrial revolution, coal power plants, plastic, etc that all happened at a __very__ large scale recently) a huge coincidence.

I don't think humans can possibly affect this planet in terms of /global/ Climate Change in any measurable magnitude. There are forces which affect and cause /global/ Climate Change which are vastly more powerful than us mere humans.

Maybe it helps to think about it like that; Humans aren't changing the climate - you're right. But corporations are doing it to satisfy human demand. While corporations are run by us they exhibit vastly different behavior as well as operating at a completely different scale than us.

> Humans can affect their local climate for sure - a city has a different local climate compared to an equivalent area of wildland. All that tarmac and concrete does have an effect locally. But to suggest that the human race - which inhabits a small percentage of the landcover of a planet of which two thirds of its surface is water - is the main cause of Climate Change, reeks of hubris and agenda.

We use most of that land cover for agriculture and changing it by deforestation etc. The water parts of earth are.. Well I don't really see your point there. 1/3 is a looot of area to affect, surely enough to change the climate by a tiny bit (2 deg) which then causes runaway effects. It throws the system off balance.

> The best thing we humans can do is to put things into perspective, deal with a dynamic, ever-changing global climate which is out of our control, try our best to keep the place tidy - we do need more effort on that front - do what we humans are great at doing which is coming up with great and new technologies (I'm looking at you, fusion power to be a workable thing within my lifetime!), and make the most of our individual limited time on this Earth by following your aspirations and fulfilling your potential.

I think you're right here. In the end it doesn't after what causes climate change anyway - it is happening and it is killing us so we need to do something about it. Thing is, if we don't know the cause for these extreme rates this will be hard. Humans seem like a very likely cause here and the specific sources (e.g. coal, flying) are conveniently in our control. So even if you're still not sure, acting as if we're the cause is a good action plan, don't you think?

Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by chr1 on Sunday August 18, 2019 @11:06AM (#20730568)
> it is happening and it is killing us

While the "it is happening" part has good amount of supporting data and is almost certainly true, the killing us part is much more questionable, most predictions agree that if we do nothing it will cause <10% gdp loss in 2100 compared to the scenario where it did not happen. So we need to make sure that whatever we do to prevent climate change doesn't cause more economic loss than climate change itself, and mostly invest in developing new technology and helping poor countries to become richer.

Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by esotericn on Sunday August 18, 2019 @04:41PM (#20732682)
Thought experiment: tomorrow we delete the countries of Africa. Literally gone, the continent ceases to exist.

Maybe we keep SA and the northern bits like Tunisia etc.

Global GDP probably declines less than 10%, right?

You can't reduce everything to money in these terms.

Re:Iceland commemorates first glacier lost to climate change by chr1 on Monday August 19, 2019 @01:03PM (#20739506)
That's a very important point, and i should have mentioned it in my comment. In 100 years the poor countries will be much richer, and we have opportunity to help improve their situation sooner which in turn would help everyone by making markets larger and increasing the number of people working on science. In some cases helping this countries directly will have more effect than wasting money on biofuel subsidies. Bjørn Lomborg have many interesting talks/writings about this issue.