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Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by erostrate on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:06PM (#20724657)
"The carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere by industry's burning of coal and oil-—more than half of it during the last generation—may have changed the atmosphere's composition sufficiently to account for a general warming of the world by about one degree Fahrenheit."

"Even in an airplane the number of vacuum tubes now approaches or exceeds a thousand. Other machines, containing up to 10,000 vacuum tubes, up to five times more crystals, and possibly more than 100,000 cores, now operate faultlessly over long periods, performing many millions of regulated, preplanned actions per second, with an expectation of only a few errors per day or week. Many such machines have been built to perform complicated scientific and engineering calculations and large scale accounting and logistical surveys. There is no doubt that they will be used for elaborate industrial process control, logistical, economic, and other planning"

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by porknubbins on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:39PM (#20727881)
Airplanes ran on vacuum tubes? Shit as a electric guitarist this would’ve terrified me though I guess whatever they used was more reliable and probably power cycled more responsibly.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by mikeash on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:16AM (#20728204)
I wouldn’t say “ran on.” It wasn’t a fly by wire system or anything like that. But plenty of electronic systems would have used vacuum tubes, such as radios and radar.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by the-dude on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:02PM (#20724640)
"The carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere by industry's burning of coal and oil-—more than half of it during the last generation—may have changed the at­mosphere's composition sufficiently to account for a general warming of the world by about one degree Fahrenheit. "

edit : this PDF looks like it has been scanned, but the text is selectable. Not sure I have seen this before.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by IceWreck on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:28PM (#20724763)
This is done with OCR, specially when digitizing things.

The Internet Archive does this a lot. There was an old 90s book that I needed but they never made an electronic edition. So the internet archive, scanned and digitized it with character recognition to make a select-able PDF like this, as well an epub that can be read on your phone like any other ebook.

Now that book is available for anyone to borrow and read. (its still copyrighted so you gotta access it via their DRM controlled app/website, but that can be easily broken and its better than not having access to that book at all)

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by the-dude on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:35PM (#20724789)
Thanks for the heads-up. Of course I do know what OCR is. Just hadn't seen it combined in the wild like this.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by rayiner on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:02PM (#20724935)
Acrobat has had this as a built in feature forever.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by the-dude on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:16PM (#20725011)
Didn't know that either. Makes me wonder if my browser ( PDF.js ) is doing the OCR? Anybody knows?
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by philipkglass on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:53PM (#20725617)
He means that Acrobat Pro includes an OCR system that you can use to add a searchable text layer to scanned documents. Readers like Acrobat Reader and PDF.js do not perform OCR. You won't be able to use them to search scanned documents if the document creator did not run OCR.

Google runs its own OCR pass on scanned PDF documents in order to index them better. It can be annoying when you get a 50 page scanned document as a search result and then find out that it doesn't include a text layer, so you need to run your own OCR or skim the whole thing to find the relevant parts.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by visarga on Sunday August 18, 2019 @01:10AM (#20728360)
What PDF.js is showing is an invisible text layer overlaid on top of the original image. It does not do OCR which can take up to 1-2 seconds per page, it would be too slow and require a large-ish neural net if you care about accuracy.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by coldtea on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:41PM (#20727894)
No, the OCR has already happened at the time of the scanning (or shortly thereafter), and the result is embedded into the PDF document.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by agumonkey on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:44PM (#20725206)
True, but as parent, I realized that only very recently.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by alttab on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:15PM (#20725003)
Guy's login is "the-dude," he's been around for a while.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by leggomylibro on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:11PM (#20724688)
It's called Optical Character Recognition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition

One of the few applications where ML-based image recognition actually works reliably enough for real-world applications; the USPS has been using neural nets to read zip codes for decades.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by coldtea on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:41PM (#20727890)
>this PDF looks like it has been scanned, but the text is selectable. Not sure I have seen this before.

It's quite common. A combination of scanning + OCR on the same PDF.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by dinofacedude on Saturday August 17, 2019 @04:15PM (#20726063)
You see it a lot in academic databases
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by damidekronik on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:27PM (#20724751)
"Consequently, a few decades hence energy may be free—just like the unmetered air—with coal and oil used mainly as raw materials for organic chemical synthesis, to which, as experience has shown, their properties are best suited."

I am wondering why this prediction is so off given how other ones are spot on? How the situation back then made John von Neumann believe it, and what happened differently, moving this into the realms of fantasy.

Perhaps if an another effort of a scale of the Manhattan Project had happened, the concept of the "free energy" would have been more realistic.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by jaysonelliot on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:39PM (#20724814)
"Too cheap to meter" was a common assumption about the future of nuclear power when it first began. If you only look at the amount of power available based on the raw materials, it's a reasonable prediction.

They simply didn't take into account all of the associated costs and complexities that would be involved with the actual nuclear power plants, not to mention the political and social complications.

That doesn't mean such a future can never happen, it's theoretically possible. We're simply in a place right now where it's hard to imagine with our current level of technology and our current energy economy.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by rayiner on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:57PM (#20724911)
They didn’t expect that government regulation would kill innovation in the nuclear industry. If nuclear plants had not been regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have abundant, clean power today. We may have had hundreds of thousands more dead from nuclear accidents, but that would pale in comparison to the tens of millions saved by phasing out coal earlier and pushing off climate change.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by dragonwriter on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:58PM (#20724915)
> They didn’t expect that government regulation would kill innovation in the nuclear industry. If nuclear plants had not been regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have abundant, clean power today.

The regulation is basically a liability shield and subsidy, the industry wants more, not less, of it to build plants.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by rayiner on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:05PM (#20724947)
That doesn’t mean that regulation doesn’t impede innovation, e.g. by eliminating the incentive to adopt safer cycles. Moreover, the onerous review of reactor designs means there is a high incentive to stick with older designs that have already been reviewed by the government. (Thats a double whammy, because it makes newer, safer designs harder to deploy while reducing the incentive to deploy them.)
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by dctoedt on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:06PM (#20725351)
> If nuclear plants had not been regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have abundant, clean power today. We may have had hundreds of thousands more dead from nuclear accidents, but that would pale in comparison to the tens of millions saved by phasing out coal earlier and pushing off climate change.

And if wishes were horses .... It's hard to imagine how any democratic society could have gotten past the salience bias to make that happen. (Also, there's the better-the-devil-you-know familiarity bias working in coal's favor, to say nothing of the political influence of voters depending directly or indirectly on coal for their livelihoods.)

EDIT: This also brought to mind the trolley problem [0], with the added wrinkle that it's not possible to predict with any confidence which specific persons would actually be injured or killed.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by jodrellblank on Saturday August 17, 2019 @03:06PM (#20725695)
If nuclear plants had not been regulated so highly decades ago, we’d have abundant, clean power today.

Are African and Latin American countries with less effective governments and less regulation are leading the world in innovation, cheap nuclear power, genetic engineering and so on?

A casual disregard for the living and a "happily ever after" fairy tale correlates pretty well with a lot of cult and religious behaviours, and associated human tragedies, but not very well with actual happily ever after, I think.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by rayiner on Saturday August 17, 2019 @03:31PM (#20725825)
Low regulation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for innovation. You also need the predicate technologies, precision manufacturing capabilities, etc. But within the US, where we have those things, loosely regulated industries (like the Internet) have consistently evolved faster than heavily regulated ones.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by jodrellblank on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:25PM (#20727841)
Low regulation is a necessary but not sufficient condition for innovation.

Restating it isn't convincing. Innovation didn't stop when slavery was banned, innovation didn't stop when Romans mandated that bread sellers sold a fair amount of bread, or when weights and measures were standardised in commercial transactions, or when mains electrical devices had to be earthed/grounded/double-insulated.

"You can't pollute groundwater with careless discharge of nuclear waste" - innovate within that constraint.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by coolspaz on Sunday August 18, 2019 @12:12AM (#20728193)
It's not just about regulation . The eco-liberals of the 80s and 90s actively influenced the political landscape to stop nuclear power, which also caused companies to halt investments.

We shouldn't be rewriting history now that we see that nuclear power could have actually prevented global climate change.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by coldtea on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:43PM (#20727898)
Yeah, let's build nuclear plants with wild abandon, and let the industry innovate and regulate itself. That has worked wonderfully elsewhere...
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by DanBC on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:41PM (#20724819)
> We're simply in a place right now where it's hard to imagine with our current level of technology and our current energy economy.

...and the fact we have about 4bn more people here than we did in 1960.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by dragonwriter on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:01PM (#20725328)
We have far fewer people than growth rate at the time suggested; IIRC, around that time growth was viewed as exponential with a doubling period of ~35 years, had it continued the population would be 10.74 bn now, nearly 1.5× what it.

So, no, population (at least high population) isn't something that was unforeseen.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by damidekronik on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:46PM (#20724847)
Yea, that is of my understanding too. There was no need for any great advance in that matter at the time. Now however, the situation is different, and yet, not as pressing as the global conflict back then to fund another "Los Alamos".
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by agumonkey on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:42PM (#20725187)
I wonder if they had the 'capacity paradox' in mind, where the more you can have, you more you will use. In the 50s energy usage were quite minuscule compared to today I think.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by carapace on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:27PM (#20725454)
The sequestration of atomic technology (not just power) is one of the rare areas where the interests of the good guys and bad guys coincide.

Energy is free: we have a fusion generator that runs 24/7 with no maintenance and is so powerful it can burn out your retinas from 150 million kilometers away.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by jodrellblank on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @12:06AM (#20743751)
we have

Hypothetical: if aliens started building a Dyson sphere around Sol, could we stop them?

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by carapace on Sunday August 25, 2019 @12:40PM (#20793900)
Insufficient data.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by tim58 on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:37PM (#20724797)
This was before Chernobyl, and without Chernobyl the industrialized world would probably be mainly on nuclear fission power by now.

This was also at a time when nuclear fusion energy was theoretically possible but before half a century of research has labeled the problem 'very hard'.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by CamouflagedKiwi on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:45PM (#20725213)
Sounds a bit like the Jevons paradox - we improve the efficiency of energy consumption, but it does not result in it being free, because demand increases to counter.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by Spooky23 on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:14PM (#20724994)
Demand increased dramatically.

If federal mortgage rules empathized solar, you’d see near free energy production in residential in a decade or two.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by philipkglass on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:50PM (#20725247)
He made other incorrect predictions in the same document. We continue to (incidentally and carelessly) change the climate, but have yet to achieve anything like the reliably controllable weather he anticipated.

He also incorrectly anticipated that atomic transmutation of the elements would become a bigger trend than chemical rearrangement of existing elements.

"It is worth emphasizing that the main trend will be systematic exploration of nuclear reactions — that is, the transmutation of elements, or alchemy rather than chemistry."

As for why he was mistaken about nuclear power, it's possible that he was extrapolating from the fantastically rapid progress of nuclear weapons technology. Fission was demonstrated in 1938, the first chain reaction in 1942, the first fission weapon in 1945. The first megaton scale thermonuclear explosion was demonstrated in 1952 and serial production of thermonuclear weapons began in 1954. Between 1944 and 1954 the explosive power of the largest military bombs went up by a factor of roughly two million [1] [2]. There was a 2300-fold leap from Grand Slam to Little Boy (6.5 tons TNT equivalent to 15 kilotons) and another thousand-fold leap from Little Boy to Castle Bravo (15 kilotons to 15 megatons).

The challenges of making useful power reactors for electricity production are much different. Civilian power reactors have to compete with other electricity sources on cost. They have to produce power for decades rather than a fraction of a second. They are expected to fully contain fission products rather than disperse them widely as fallout. Recall that at the time of this writing, 1955, no country had yet built a power reactor comparable in output to large coal or hydroelectric plants. There had only been some small demonstrations like the 2 megawatts of electricity produced by the BORAX-III reactor. The actual difficulties to be encountered at larger scales were not yet known.

Finally, "affordable" electricity was a moving target. In constant dollars, large American industrial buyers were paying 40% less per megawatt hour in 1970 than they were in 1950 [3]. Concerns about acutely hazardous air pollution were not yet widespread enough to justify a cost premium over fossil-generated power. Widespread concerns about greenhouse gas emissions were even further off.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_17_nuclear_bomb

[3] https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/histstats-colonial-1970.p... - page 827

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by n-exploit on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:15PM (#20725001)
Within the U.S. - we live in a profit-maximizing capitalist structure. Why would any economic entity give something away for free when a profit can be made?
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by al3xandre on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:34PM (#20725134)
Competition pushing price down to a near-zero cost base? like the $1 microcontroller you can buy today.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by n-exploit on Monday August 19, 2019 @11:43AM (#20738752)
The difference between zero and non-zero cost, no matter how low, is extreme.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by hhh on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:54PM (#20725272)
or the one cent microcontroller you can buy today.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by hi41 on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:44PM (#20724835)
I remember the immortal words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. about man being able to master technology and yet not have have grown comparably enough in spirituality to live as brothers.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by aidanrocke on Saturday August 17, 2019 @11:04AM (#20724368)
For the kind of explosiveness that man will be able to contrive by 1980, the globe is dangerously small, its political units dangerously unstable.-John von Neumann
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by c3534l on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:26PM (#20724750)
I'm not sure if there ever existed a man as ahead of his time as Von Neumann.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by carapace on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:38PM (#20725525)
Da Vinci? Bucky Fuller?

Legend has it that when Gödel presented "On the Completeness of the Logical Calculus" von Neumann threw in the towel (on Hilbert's program) on the spot.

Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by michele_f on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @05:28AM (#20745074)
Thank you for your comment. I didn't know that anecdote.
Re:Can we survive technology? (1955) [pdf] by carapace on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @11:54PM (#20754441)
Cheers!

What I find fascinating is, he was the only person in the room to understand immediately. Even today, most people (and I mean mathematicians and programmers and others who might be expected to get it) still haven't internalized Gödel.