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Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by lispm on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:30AM (#20712909)
> France imports very cheap electricity from Germany when wind/solar works very well

or when nuclear doesn't deliver enough electricity. Like in cold winters (high demand) or hot summers (low production).

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:37AM (#20712944)
There's no such problems in France right now. There's much lower consumption in the summer, it's the time planned for maintenance, producing more would be useless and I don't recall any issue with the winter load.
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by lispm on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:45AM (#20712981)
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:48AM (#20712995)
> also unplanned maintenance, overheating rivers, drying rivers, ...

Those are a very small number of reactors and not affecting in anyway the grid, it's totally planned, you do get clickbait article every year though. By the way, they are only being stopped by regulation as well, not any technical problem.

Additionally, renewables had more severe issues at the moment from the heatwaves, above 25 degrees, solar panel outputs drops a lot and generally there's not much wind either during this kind of weather to compensate.

https://twitter.com/TristanKamin/status/1153624647243620355, Here is the electricity production in France for this summer, there's definitely one source of electricity working better than the others during heatwave...

I don't know why people keep bringing this up, it's an non-issue and it's never been one.

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by lispm on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:31AM (#20713224)
> Those are a very small number of reactors and not affecting in anyway the grid, it's totally planned, you do get clickbait article every year though. By the way, they are only being stopped by regulation as well, not any technical problem.

What do you think regulation is for?

> Additionally, renewables had more severe issues at the moment from the heatwaves, above 25 degrees, solar panel outputs drops a lot and generally there's not much wind either during this kind of weather to compensate.

We were breaking a lot of records with renewable energy here in Germany lately...

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:04AM (#20713376)
> What do you think regulation is for?

Those regulations are there to save fishes, they're not related to nuclear plants, coal plants also have the same issue. That's to save wildlife. If you don't care about fishes, the plant technically works.

Since there's a need for maintenance anyway and less demand, that's not worth killing the fishes with warmer water.

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by lispm on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:10AM (#20713665)
A nuclear power plant does not work 'technically', if it harms the environment.
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:38AM (#20713777)
I mean we're going in circles here, it's not needed to start those plants in summer anyway so...
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by lispm on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:01AM (#20713898)
Sure, you can always import German electricity.
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:27AM (#20714052)
The reason those plants are not needed (as I said multiple times they are not) is because you have 50% share of electricity heating. And you obviously don't need any heating in summer...
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by bayesian_horse on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:01AM (#20713065)
France imported energy from Germany long before renewables became a thing.

Also: The French state heavily subsidizes nuclear energy.

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:03AM (#20713073)
Every electricity source is heavily subsidized anyway, I don't think there's any exception.
Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by bayesian_horse on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:47AM (#20713822)
I think that there is an exception if a nation wants to have a nuclear industry complement and partially amortize the production of nuclear weapon.

The subsidies in France led to the absurd situation that electric heating is much more prevalent than anywhere else, even though renewable electricity is supposedly more heavily subsidized.

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:07AM (#20713944)
That's not an absurd situation, that's making France way ahead of other European countries for the carbon footprint of heating, it would be nice if other countries could catch up.

And renewables were not even a thing at that time anyways.

Currently the situation in France is that the nuclear energy is made artificially more expensive to fund renewables with the goal of increasing the renewable share but even with that market distortion, renewables are still failing to compete.

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by bayesian_horse on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:42AM (#20714134)
In reality, heating with natural gas is more carbon efficient currently, than using most commonly available electricity mixes. Cheaper, in any case, than heating with nuclear electricity anywhere but in France. Of course you can make a case where nuclear power is cheaper, if you disregard any of the risks, political problems, and clean-up costs associated with it. Particularly in France, all those costs are covered (or mostly ignored) by the government. The private energy companies certainly can't pay it.

France still has to import electricity from coal power, so the carbon footprint isn't that great in any case. And you can't claim that slightly raising electricity costs offset the dozens of billions that went into the French nuclear sector in any way.

Re:Germany to close all of its coal-fired power plants over ... by realusername on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:55AM (#20714200)
> Particularly in France, all those costs are covered (or mostly ignored) by the government.

That's an argument constantly repeated by the anti-nuclear activists, it's of course totally false, there's extensive (100+ pages) reports every few years on all the external and primary costs.

> France still has to import electricity from coal power, so the carbon footprint isn't that great in any case. And you can't claim that slightly raising electricity costs offset the dozens of billions that went into the French nuclear sector in any way.

That's not true in any way but if you are concerned about that, you can check https://www.electricitymap.org for other EU countries (this takes into account import as well). Most of them (except Scandinavia) are doing 6x to 10x worse than France at the moment and have a very long way to catch up.