Re:Social exclusion fuels extremism in young men
by johnchristopher on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:40PM
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Thanks for your comment, I plan to chew a bit on it while commuting.
Reminds me of that cartoon about procrastination https://waitbutwhy.com/2013/10/why-procrastinators-procrasti... (the mind has a captain and a monkey).
Re:Social exclusion fuels extremism in young men
by yummypaint on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @10:16AM
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"3) The Have-To-Dos may happen, but not the Want-To-Dos. Even if the procrastinator is in the type of career where the Panic Monster is regularly present and he’s able to be fulfilled at work, the other things in life that are important to him—getting in shape, cooking elaborate meals, learning to play the guitar, writing a book, reading, or even making a bold career switch—never happen because the Panic Monster doesn’t usually get involved with those things. Undertakings like those expand our experiences, make our lives richer, and bring us a lot of happiness—and for most procrastinators, they get left in the dust."
This is too real
Plato talked about this in Phaedrus about the allegory of the Chariot [0,1]. I think it's a useful lens to view the desires we humans have, though not a perfect lens:
>First the charioteer of the human soul drives a pair, and secondly one of the horses is noble and of noble breed, but the other quite the opposite in breed and character. Therefore in our case the driving is necessarily difficult and troublesome. The Charioteer represents intellect, reason, or the part of the soul that must guide the soul to truth; one horse represents rational or moral impulse or the positive part of passionate nature (e.g., righteous indignation); while the other represents the soul's irrational passions, appetites, or concupiscent nature. The Charioteer directs the entire chariot/soul, trying to stop the horses from going different ways, and to proceed towards enlightenment.
In the modern west, we have an idea of 'Pious vs. Evil' that each of us tries to balance (super broad strokes here). However, I think the ideas of Plato are interesting because of the tripartite idea of Logos, Eros, and Thumos. Mostly, I think that Thumos[2] is a great way to look at things and categorize issues that we feel. Quickly:
> Thumos: a Greek word expressing the concept of "spiritedness" (as in "spirited stallion" or "spirited debate"). The word indicates a physical association with breath or blood and is also used to express the human desire for recognition. [2]
Thumos is neither good nor evil, but is something that can get away from you and needs to be controlled (by the Logos). For example: Achilles was overly thumotic and was thus killed by his desire for glory, blood, and honor; all thumotic traits. However, it was the thumos of Achilles drove him to be such a great warrior that we remember to this day. Also, the author Jack London was a thumotic person. He was always moving about, getting into scraps, trying to improve his writing, becoming famous. But that desire for greatness is what killed him as he literally worked himself to an early death while writing.
So, the energy that we have as men can be seen in this tripartite way of Logos, Eros, and Thumos, not just destructive or constructive. Having outlets that are 'base' (Eros) are as needed as having outlets that are 'spirited/honorable' (Thumos) and 'intellectual'(Logos).
[0] https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/what-is-a-man-the-al...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot_Allegory
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumos