Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change
by srean on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:14AM
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Much that my naive self wants believe that nonviolence works and violence doesn't. Often its the potential for violence that the powerful even starts a token conversation with the ignored and the powerless. Its then they start preaching that non-violent means needs to be adopted and there needs to be a negotiation.
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Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change
by fivethr33 on Monday August 12, 2019 @07:16PM
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Non-violence only works with violence waiting in the wings. Talking with MLK is way more palatable when the other option is saying, "we are willing to pay the price of freedom and that price is death (for both of us)."
Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change
by sokoloff on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:47AM
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Yes, I think the peaceful civil rights leaders we think of today were benefited by the threat/spectre of violence combined with overt actions and communication on their part to declare the violence not part of their plan.
Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change
by perfunctory on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:41PM
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I believe (hope) you guys are mistaken. For example, what kind of "potential for violence" from a starving student was King’s College afraid of when they agreed to divest fossil fuels? [0]
[0] https://londonstudent.coop/kings-college-agree-fossil-fuel-d...
Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change
by sokoloff on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @07:42AM
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When I said "peaceful civil rights leaders we think of today", I meant "ones we readily recall today based on their actions in the 1950s and 60s", not that the threat of violence is a required element in the system.
I can see how that could very easily be read as "peaceful civil rights leaders of today", so the error is on me as the author, but that was not my intended usage.