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Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by maeln on Monday August 12, 2019 @09:45AM (#20675309)
As a French, I didn't expect to see José Bové on HN. He is indeed a controversial person. A lot of his action where as much praised as they were criticized. Especially when it came to GMO which he was fiercely against.

But overall, all his fight, kind of as what the twitter thread says, where against globalization (in the food industry) and in some way for protectionism within France / EU. I know a lot of people consider protectionism a bad thing, but a free market only works when the different actor have roughly the same power. It was (and it still is) not the case, as US had the power to make other actor accept their term and their product, which was heavily damaging the local farmer.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by lm28469 on Monday August 12, 2019 @09:57AM (#20675425)
He's the kind of person you need to have if you want to fight against globalisation. Sure he's extreme, sure some of his actions are barely legal, if not straight up illegal, sure many people don't like him... But look on the other side, do you think companies like monsanto play it fair and nice ? You need people equally motivated to keep the system somewhat balanced.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by kiliantics on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:20AM (#20675620)
Just because something is legal/illegal, doesn't make it right/wrong. I think we will all have to start getting comfortable with illegal things happening -- and even participating in them -- if we want to stop environmental catastrophe.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by the_seraphim on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:54AM (#20675944)
woah, who is to decide what is right and wrong if not the system we designed to formalise the rights and wrongs of the countries we are in?

I'm all for GMO as its the only way we realistically have a chance to feed all these damn children people keep having.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by brokenmachine on Monday August 12, 2019 @07:18PM (#20681161)
GMO isn't about feeding people, we already produce enough food for everyone, it's just not spread evenly. GMO is about profits first and foremost.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by c1sc0 on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:25PM (#20682553)
The answer lies in your first sentence: the system “we” designed ... when you feel the system currently in power does not represent your interests laws are options, not hard rules.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by kiliantics on Monday August 12, 2019 @11:01PM (#20682427)
Who is "we"? I didn't get to take part in designing any system of right and wrong. And it's very obvious to anyone that looks closely that the only people who have any significant influence over that system are coming from a small powerful and wealthy minority.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by yoz-y on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:01AM (#20675471)
I find that French farmers have a tendency to fight and yell against globalisation but don’t bat an eye when it profits them. French agriculture is heavily subsidised too which hurts other European countries.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by maeln on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:43AM (#20675836)
You are not wrong. But at the same time, you can see from their scope: They have to compete against countries where the cost of labor and the cost of living is much less. Meaning, they can hardly sell their product as the same price as farmer in some other country while making ends-meet.

This is nothing new and a known consequence of globalization. Especially when their is no/low tariff and cheap transportation, as is the case within the EU.

This mean that, either you let some industry die off and rely entirely on importation (which we did for a lot of manufacturing where everything is know produce in mostly Asian country) or you heavily subsidized it to keep it alive.

In the case of agriculture, France heavily subsidized it to keep it alive as it is considered a strategical industry. It is a huge sink hole for France, and as far as I know for the EU. I don't know if they really profit from it financially speaking, but they do need it for soft power and to not being subject of more influence from other country.

Overall, their is probably some hypocrisy about globalization within farmer. But isn't it also a natural human behavior ? We tend to scream about injustice unless this injustice profit us.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by yoz-y on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:52AM (#20675917)
Yeah, as I live in France but when I come back to my country of origin I also see the other side of this mess.

I am no economist but I think that the low cost of transport is one of the factors that could be somehow influenced. We keep trucking stuff thousands of kilometers whereas it could grow and be processed just next-door.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by lambdasquirrel on Monday August 12, 2019 @06:04PM (#20680543)
Yes, then imagine a trade war in that situation, involving your grain needs. The day that the protectionists anticipated has come, and it's quite sad.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by ahoy on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:02AM (#20675485)
Surely you don't suggest that this is a uniquely french behavior?
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by yoz-y on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:34AM (#20675755)
No, but as a French citizen I get my share of headlines about protests and since I am originally from one of the shafted countries I also hear the other side. I am pretty sure that this happens everywhere else too though.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by DenisM on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:00PM (#20678697)
> a free market only works when the different actor have roughly the same power

Worked wonders for China though, lifting them from abject poverty to an industrial powerhouse.

Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by tomp on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:22PM (#20678909)
There's no free market in China. The government is pretty strict in banning foreign enterprises (that can only operate in China if they're co-owned 50% by Chinese) in order to develop local companies. So basically restricting the more powerful player and empowering the less powerful one. That (i.e. non-free markets) has worked wonders for them.
Re:20th anniversary of José Bové’s 'attack' on a McDonald's ... by Svperstar on Monday August 12, 2019 @03:30PM (#20679016)
That wasn't the free market. The US decided to make it cheaper to ship goods from China to the US then it is for businesses in the US to ship inside the US. Government intervention all the way.