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Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change by andrepd on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:37AM (#20674811)
To add to that, nonviolence only works if the power that is taken on respects that nonviolence and will itself also not resort to violence. Such is the case in e.g. democratic countries, where you can peacefully remove leaders via legal means and nonviolent demonstrations. Which is also why nonviolent struggle worked in British India: the Britons had lines they did not cross, they did not send tanks or imprison and murder leaders.

But if, on the other hand, the state you are fighting will not flinch before brutally suppressing any dissent and murdering hundreds, thousands, or even millions (such as is the case from the imperialists in South America to the Chinese government in Tiannamen), then no peaceful marching will save you, you need to be ready for physical struggle if you want change)

Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change by pjc50 on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:47AM (#20674899)
Looking back on this it seems almost remarkable that Ghandi's movement worked, and also that the British version of history has encouraged the myth of generosity.

> the Britons had lines they did not cross, they did not send tanks or imprison and murder leaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre ; Ghandi was arrested repeatedly and spent several years in prison. https://www.mkgandhi.org/arrestofmahatma.htm

Possibly the main reason the Empire was abandoned was its physical untenability and expense after the war, along with pressure from the United States.

Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change by srean on Monday August 12, 2019 @12:03PM (#20676685)
Agree with the comment wholeheartedly. BTW please lets use Gandhi not Ghandi ... Its a very common mistake though.
Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change by tsss on Monday August 12, 2019 @10:05AM (#20675510)
No, exactly the opposite is the case: For non-violence to work you have to remain non-violent while your opponent is as violent as possible. The whole point of non-violence like it was practiced by Gandhi is to win the propaganda war. If you take a beating while remaining passive and the media broadcasts it then you can mobilize more people for your cause. You may lose the battle but win the war; That is the idea.

"Non-violent protest" as practiced today by "progressive" groups is the most useless form of protest you can do.

Re:It Takes More Than Mass Protests to Drive Change by JulianMorrison on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:58AM (#20674985)
The British in India had relatively few lines they wouldn't cross, for example famously after a "mutiny" (attempt to regain independence) they tied the "mutineers" over the mouths of cannons and fired through them.

What they did have was a busted economy after WW2, no access to international credit and a treaty with the Americans that was forcing them to decolonialize. The ongoing independence campaign (mostly paused during the war) put them in the position of "double down or fold" and they chose to fold. I think people overestimate the element of ethical embarrassment.