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Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by SkyPuncher on Sunday August 11, 2019 @09:49PM (#20671813)
Agreed, nearly every commercial use seems better off simply relying on a centrally trusted authority.

"This has to be on the blockchain. But! don't look behind the curtain to everything else in our company that relies (and thrives) on a single point of trust.

Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by H8crilA on Sunday August 11, 2019 @09:56PM (#20671844)
Including quick money transfer. FED is working on an upgrade that will allow instant USD transfers. There's absolutely no reason why the central banks of the world cannot have instant transfers using their non-blockchain databases.

BTC is only good as a deflationary pseudo-commodity, like gold. And like gold a good holding amount is probably below 10%, I'd say below 5% of the portfolio.

Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by teh_infallible on Sunday August 11, 2019 @09:59PM (#20671855)
Yes, I always look to the FED for cutting edge technology. /s
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by H8crilA on Sunday August 11, 2019 @10:46PM (#20672012)
Instant money transfer is not cutting edge. Some countries have had it for decades (albeit at a premium cost).
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by pjc50 on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:51AM (#20674938)
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by pilingual on Sunday August 11, 2019 @10:10PM (#20671898)
The underlying blockchains often do not have central authority; that is, no one entity can make a rash decision for bitcoin tomorrow.

Cryptokitties can manipulate their contract, so in that case it is true a central authority is in control. Even though Bitcoin has been around 10 years there is still a lot of development and people are still figuring out how to approach this type of thing. The obvious answer is to start with a central contract and have a mechanism to slowly decentralize or remove ownership. It’s going to take time to get it right but it will happen (and even cryptokitties can upgrade their contract to include this logic).

Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by grey-area on Monday August 12, 2019 @01:41AM (#20672738)
The underlying blockchains often do not have central authority; that is, no one entity can make a rash decision for bitcoin tomorrow.

I disagree, they have plenty of pinch points which allow de facto control.

The small group of core developers control the laws of the currency and directly tied to that its value. They can perform hard forks and change all the rules. The users have very little influence there.

Exchanges control which currencies are popular, along with huge amounts of the money in circulation, and change things like deposit/withdraw rules arbitrarily.

The miners can attack the currency to rewrite history (has been done), refuse to use new rules, or switch to a new currency.

Many of the fundamental tenets of bitcoin as it started out (that most users will mine, that most users will take care of their own wallets) have been proven too optimistic when in widespread use. People just don't want decentralised things given the massive tradeoffs and the rewards of centralisation for companies are too great.

I think blockchains like bitcoin are a very interesting experiment, and currencies will escape state control as nation states continue to wither away, but none of the current currencies is fit to take that role, nor was the pivot of startups to 'blockchains for...x' a good idea - it's a solution in search of a problem in most cases. We are unfortunately more likely to see a corporate currency or one from a superstate take that role than a decentralised one.

Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by yyyyip on Monday August 12, 2019 @04:17AM (#20673511)
If you (or anyone else) think you can effectively break bitcoin then there is a billion dollar bounty available to you in the form of a highly leveraged bitfinex short position.
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by pjc50 on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:18AM (#20674686)
Short positions on highly volatile (and probably manipulated) markets are extremely vulnerable to short squeezes. There's no good way to take out a leveraged short that's guaranteed to remain in place for, say, six months.
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by hollerith on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:32AM (#20674789)
Good to know, but just because any particular short position is not guaranteed to remain in place for six months doesn't mean there is no good way to profit from shorting Bitcoin.
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by pjc50 on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:49AM (#20674922)
The problem is that a leveraged short position that is closed out/margin called can lose more money than you initially invested. The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.
Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by pilingual on Monday August 12, 2019 @04:51AM (#20673665)
Much of this comment is straw men (exchanges, miners, wallets).

Anyone running a node can indeed decide what software they run. That’s exactly my point. There’s no such thing as “they” performing hard forks. Developers make decisions, sometimes they disagree and fork. Miners make decisions on which fork they want to run. Users are free to run a node.

Generalizing “blockchains for x” doesn’t do much good. Sure there are terrible blockchain projects as there are terrible app ideas, but there are quite a few good projects out there. I’m a fan of Keep.network for example.

Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by pjc50 on Monday August 12, 2019 @08:17AM (#20674678)
.. but the meaning of the blockchain and its purchasing power (or other real-world effects) are entirely determined by the software that interprets it. We've seen this a number of times, such as the Ethereum "DAO" roll back.

> Miners make decisions on which fork they want to run.

Miners are surprisingly consolidated, so this mostly determines which version "wins". And the economic value of which fork wins is determined by the markets. If you keep running the "wrong" version of a fork you find out that it's worthless and only the coins on the "right" one retain value.

Re:Which Categories of Seed Startups Are Thriving? Which Are... by SpicyLemonZest on Sunday August 11, 2019 @10:25PM (#20671941)
The question is why it's the right choice for the underlying blockchains not to have a central authority. There are costs and benefits to decentralization, and I've very rarely seen a blockchain startup weigh the two rather than just touting the benefits.

(I know this is a high standard for any new technology; I'm not saying I expect it on the front page of their website.)