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Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by criddell on Saturday August 10, 2019 @11:57AM (#20662746)
Are there buyback limits? Is it possible that company could buy all of it's stock?
Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by mrep on Saturday August 10, 2019 @02:40PM (#20663785)
Nope, remember, share buybacks are just a more tax efficient form of returning profits to investors than dividends. As they buy more and more of their stock, the remaining shareholders end up owning a larger and larger percentage share of the company.

Taken to the extreme, there would finally be 1 share left held by someone and thus that person would own 100% of the company and be entitled to 100% of the profits from said company. The company cannot just buy the last stock because the stock itself is worth all the cash the company holds and the future profits it will make. Saving up more cash to buy the final stock just raises the price because the stock is entitled to that cash and nobody is going to loan a company enough cash to be worth the expected future profits of said company which makes up the remainder of the shares value.

Funnily enough though, I think they would still do share buybacks by first splitting the stock and then buying a subset of the split stock because then the sole owner would only have to pay taxes on the sale price minus the price he paid for the stock whereas dividends are taxed in their entirety.

Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by criddell on Saturday August 10, 2019 @03:59PM (#20664198)
> The company cannot cannot just buy the last stock because the stock itself is worth all the cash the company holds and the future profits it will make.

The last share is worth whatever the person that holds it is willing to sell it for, right? A share of IBM is worth $136 right now because there are two parties willing to buy/sell a share of IBM at that price.

I realize this would never happen in a million years, but could a company exist that is owned by nobody?

Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by guan on Saturday August 10, 2019 @04:37PM (#20664391)
It would cause some practical difficulties if the corporation owned all its shares. For example, in the case of a Delaware corporation, shares owned by the corporation itself can’t vote, so it would not be possible to elect board members. Some jurisdictions might have legal limits on how much stock can be bought back as a percentage of the outstanding shares.

It’s not that unusual to have entities that essentially own themselves, in the sense that nobody is entitled to the profits and the board or managers elect their own successors. This is the case for foundations and trusts in many countries, usually with some kind of charitable purpose. Some of them even operate businesses. It might be possible for a company to take on some debt, buy out all its shareholders, and reorganize into a charity.

Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by kgwgk on Saturday August 10, 2019 @06:46PM (#20664967)
I think an easier path to have corporations which are not owned by anyone is to look at cross-holdings. Maybe one could theoretically get to a situation where a group of companies hold shares of each other and completely own themselves in the aggregate? Even if that may not be completely legal one can imagine that given the complexity of the situation one could accidentally end in a forbidden state.
Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by Jabbles on Saturday August 10, 2019 @12:06PM (#20662811)
Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by criddell on Saturday August 10, 2019 @12:58PM (#20663167)
So a company that has gone private isn't owned by another entity? There are no external stakeholders?
Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by kgwgk on Saturday August 10, 2019 @01:36PM (#20663411)
Silver Lake (a private equity firm) took Dell private in 2013.

Interestingly, the company didn’t use buybacks to become private but it did use buybacks to become public again last year [1]. It was done by buying back some piece of its business that remained traded in the stock exchange following the acquisition of EMC when Dell was private [2].

[1] https://www.techspot.com/news/77848-dell-about-go-public-sec...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2015-10-13/dell-w...

Re:IBM Stops Buybacks to Pay for Red Hat by kgwgk on Saturday August 10, 2019 @01:27PM (#20663347)
Not all of it, I think. (At least I don’t think reducing outstanding shares to 0 is a well-defined process, I could be wrong.)

But theoretically if a company do keep buying its own shares it can reduce their number to the point where the company is no longer required to be “public” and the shares can be delisted. However the important number is how many shareholders the company has, not how many shares (but obviously a company with 300 shares cannot have more than 300 shareholders).

I don’t know if that has ever happened. Reducing the numbers of shares (and shareholders) can also be done be reverse splitting. For example a company that is doing so badly that the share price goes to zero and regularly do inverse splits (making one $5 share from 100 $0.05 shares) will end up with a handful of shares. Or a company which is not failing may try to get rid of minority shareholders by doing reverse splits (if you don’t have enough shares to get the new one you get cash instead).

The usual way to reduce the number of shareholders is for someone to make a tender offer. And in that case there are rules about what happens with those who didn’t choose to sell. That’s what happened with Dell, that another comment mentioned, which was bought by Silver Lake.

https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answersgoprivhtm.html